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Post by RER on Jun 12, 2007 18:57:24 GMT -5
J.M. & I Railroad North From Columbus To Greenwood IndianaOld Depot Station With Milk Cans To Pick UpBob
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Post by RER on Sept 3, 2007 11:29:14 GMT -5
Railroad Tracks 128 Years Ago In ColumbusReference: Trivia Post #244 by Richard. It shows an 1879 Map of Columbus provided by Charles Snyder.That is a nice map for the long ago year of 1879. It details so many things and names of the past. Interesting are the railroad tracks that are highlighted in yellow below. It reminds you of a giant "X" across Columbus. The "X" rails show at that time all the JM&I Railroad tracks and directions.
Keep in mind the 1st Railroad to Columbus was from Madison in 1844. Then in 1852 Jeffersonville to Columbus was built. Then in 1853 Columbus tracks to Shelbyville were complete. Thanks Richard and Charles for a great view of the 1879s:Additional Observation on Map:
The land of T. & J. W. Gaff of Cerealine Manufactory Company is reflected showing the Lowell Mill on the land owned by Thomas Gaff. Go down from the far left about two inches and read his name and the mill. You may have to enlarge the map to read the names.Note: This map and the rails are well before industry development like Cummins, Arvins, Hamilton Cosco, Stadlers and many more important companies. Various extensions and additions were added as the years progressed into the 1900s.
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Post by RER on Oct 6, 2007 10:00:24 GMT -5
Aerial View 1879 of Railroad Tracks, Livery Stables, Wagon Shop, Carriage Makers, Churches, Lincoln School, Irwin GardensLegend: Yellow ink marks are railroad tracks and Bartholomew County Court House & Jail. Teal blue colors are Irwin Gardens on corner of Lafayette & 5th Street and Lincoln School on 2nd & Franklin. Orange colors indicate location of churches during that period. Pink colors indicate Livery Stables, Wagon Shop, Carriage Makers. One Carriage & Wagon (on 5th/Jackson) was owned by Mr. RM Jackson. This map was well before the First Christian Church on 5th and before the old Post Office on corner of 7th Street. However, the church behind the future library (near Irwin Gardens) was in place. I forgot to orange color that church. Special notes: On the map in pink at the corner of Jackson Street & 5th Street was a Wagon/Plow Shop owned by Mr. H. F. Schultz. Behind this building was a Catholic Church in orange. Also, noteworthy was the Wagon Shop across the street on Jackson St., (from Mr. Schultz's place) owned by the famed P.F. Schwartzkopf. The top right orange was a Catholic Church, Catholic School and Nun House on Washington Street between 6th & 7th Street. This is almost the same place the old Sears Roebuck Store once operated in the 1950s. Directly across the street from the old John V. Storey house (present Columbus Reception Center)was a wooden barrel making company owned by David Doll. It is assumed he made wooden barrels to sell next door to the Gaff, Thomas, Rush, Gent Grist Mill. Railroad Established in 1844. Train Depot @ 7th & Jackson It appears in one of Rhonda's pictures that the railroad tracks were being removed in 1938 and probably early 1940s. Ricky Berkey had also suggested this during those conversations. The logic here is that the tracks were being removed because the First Christian Church building was being built starting in 1941 and complete in 1942. The tracks were removed that crossed Lafayette, Franklin, 4th, 5th and Washington Streets enroute to Jackson Street. Nancs also posted a picture of the 1940s showing no tracks across that area and Washington Street. The image behind old City Hall & old Fire Station One:Sources:
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Post by RER on Nov 2, 2007 19:34:29 GMT -5
This Is To Establish The Exact Dates Of Rails Laid For Train Services Please notice that the state owned the system briefly and turned the construction over to private companies
The Indiana State Legislation desired a privately-owned railroad. Then during January 1843 the Indiana Legislature authorized the further construction of the Madison and Indianapolis (M&I) Railroad, by a private company in lieu of a state railroad. The railroad was transferred to a private corporation, the Madison and Indianapolis (M&I) Railroad Company, effective February 18,1843. The Jeffersonville Madison and Indianapolis (JM&I) was to come later.
On June 1 1843, the rails were open to Scipio, which is thirty miles from Madison. Then July 3, 1844 the tracks reached Columbus.
The continued tracks arrived September 8,1845 in Edinburgh.
The biggest event was October 1,1847 when the first M&I train ran from Madison to Indianapolis.
The M&I passenger depot in Indianapolis was constructed on South Street near Delaware and Pennsylvania Streets.
Then during 1852 the Jeffersonville Madison & Indianapolis (JM & I) railroad service was established through Columbus Indiana.
Source: Indiana State History
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Post by RER on Jan 7, 2008 16:31:05 GMT -5
Hot Shovel Sandwich Coming Right Up "All Aboard"Today I was talking to a distant relative out West and he had enjoyed the making of “Johnny Cakes and hoecakes,” that I wrote a little about under the Bartholomew County 1800s section of the boards. He is a retired Engineer Physicist person of many years and his family roots trace the same as mine and my brother. He is a very informative and interesting elderly fellow and has a vast wealth of information dating back prior to 1776. He shares my eagerness of old history, and the struggles of American growth from the pioneer days. His interesting story relates to the “old steam engine railroad” system. The Story: During the days of the steam railroad engines the crew members of the cab of coal burning steam engines would prepare fried steak or hot meat sandwiches using their highly polished shovels. The shovels of course were used for shoveling coal into the mouth of the fire bellies. Some crews would place the meat on the shovel and place the shovel into the fire hole, and cook the meat. They would then place the meat on the bread and enjoy their hot sandwich. Now, my first thought of this it sounded unsanitary, but then he explained that it wasn’t. First the hot shovel couldn’t have any living bacteria or viruses because of the extreme heat. Secondly, even if there was a small amount of coal dust; that wouldn't harm the digestive system. Many doctors prescribe charcoal for stomach problems at times. But, anyway the story was so interesting I had to share it even if it doesn’t meet your fancy. All Aboard! Source: Ken Record (family without the S on name)
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Post by David Sechrest on Feb 5, 2008 6:20:28 GMT -5
The following is a pictorial timeline showing the relationship of the railroad and how Columbus grew from 1886 to 1927. Note that in most cases, growth in Columbus followed the railroad tracks. The first is 1886...
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Post by David Sechrest on Feb 5, 2008 7:28:47 GMT -5
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Post by David Sechrest on Feb 5, 2008 7:29:26 GMT -5
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Post by David Sechrest on Feb 5, 2008 7:30:08 GMT -5
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Post by David Sechrest on Feb 5, 2008 7:30:49 GMT -5
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Post by David Sechrest on Feb 5, 2008 7:31:22 GMT -5
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Post by David Sechrest on Feb 5, 2008 7:31:58 GMT -5
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Post by David Sechrest on Feb 5, 2008 10:46:19 GMT -5
The 1947 Sanborn Insurance Map is a revised 4th edition of the 1927 map (as you can see from the "Correction Record" box at the bottom of the last map posted). The map still shows the northwest/southeast railroad tracks running from just south of the old Lowell Road to just west of the Haw Creek. These are the tracks that ran through the heart of downtown and through the old Railroad Square which was located where the First Christian Church is today. It appears there were still remnants of that lay (lie?) of track still around even into 1949. According to this map from 1949 ( img524.imageshack.us/img524/1117/1949mapgs1.jpg), there were still tracks crossing Lafayette between 3rd and 4th Sts., and Jackson Street right at 6th. Does that sound right to those of you that were around Columbus in those days? By the way, the 1927 map does designate the area where the First Christian Church is as Commercial Park...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2008 21:05:45 GMT -5
Hi David, The tracks that ran from the Dunlap lumber yard on the west side of 6th and Jackson St. to Washington St. were still there in 1951, and if I remember correctly the tracks across Lafayette were still there.
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Post by nancs on Feb 6, 2008 10:01:36 GMT -5
As I recall----during the late 40s, and into the very early 50s, the RR track that went at an angle, still existed, at least up to Washington St., between 5th and 6th. Am fairly certain that somewhere on the boards there exists a photo of a big engine sitting there between Hook's and those shops, and Red Jenkins' barber shop. Nanc
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Post by David Sechrest on Feb 7, 2008 8:13:11 GMT -5
I got up this morning and changed the size of the railroad pics, as they were probably too wide for most here. When I resized them, it also cut down on their physical size, so I hope that when this page, or the 50 most recent is loading, it won't take as long.
But anyway, I noticed something this morning that I had never noticed before. If you study the track layout on the 1906 map, you will see that the railroad tracks crossed 3rd Street four times between State Street and the White River! What is that? Maybe at the most the distance of a mile, and I don't think it's even that far.
Growing up here in the late 1950's/1960's, I remember the tracks by the elevator that once sat on the corner of 3rd and California. The tracks that crossed between Lafayette and Pearl had already been taken out (and if I remember correctly, there was no "bump" in the road at that spot), and of course the tracks that cross right before you get to the 3rd Street bridge.
The tracks I don't remember are the ones furthest east of where they crossed around California St.. This spur wasn't around when they made the 1898 map.
I'm going to have to make some enlargements of this area to show why that spur was added...
Sheesh...it looks to me like that spur was where Central Ave is today! (i.e., the old Haw Creek Blvd. that ran from State/3rd to 7th Street).
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Post by David Sechrest on Feb 7, 2008 8:19:28 GMT -5
As I recall----during the late 40s, and into the very early 50s, the RR track that went at an angle, still existed, at least up to Washington St., between 5th and 6th. Am fairly certain that somewhere on the boards there exists a photo of a big engine sitting there between Hook's and those shops, and Red Jenkins' barber shop.
Nanc [/size] nanc, are you talking about this picture?
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Post by David Sechrest on Feb 7, 2008 8:49:15 GMT -5
Regarding the railroad track spur that crosses 3rd Street at its furthest point east: The 1912 Sanborn map denotes that entire area as Reeves & Co., manufacturing farming implements and engines. This is a HUGH place! The following is a very small part of that area: Wilson St. is at the bottom with 6th Street on your left and 5th St. on your right.
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Post by nancs on Feb 7, 2008 8:53:39 GMT -5
As I recall----during the late 40s, and into the very early 50s, the RR track that went at an angle, still existed, at least up to Washington St., between 5th and 6th. Am fairly certain that somewhere on the boards there exists a photo of a big engine sitting there between Hook's and those shops, and Red Jenkins' barber shop.
Nanc [/size] nanc, are you talking about this picture?[/quote] No, David, that is NOT the picture that I am thinking about. It is one, perhaps taken during a 'downtown celebration/maybe an early Pioneer Days' and was sort of a 'educational part' of whatever was going on downtown. And definitely there at Washington St. Also, the photo was more a 'head on view' of the engine. For some reason---------'George' pops into my brain in relationship to this photo, maybe he will rememeber where the photo is and the details of same. As to other RR things---------------there was a 'spur' (remember I am a 'girl' and my terminology might not be all that 'right' with RR buffs) there at the east end of Reeves Pulley, on 7th St. that went, I think, south into Cummins there at 6th St., and continued on north, just along side the old Hoosier market, that building is still there on 7th St. (just west of Maple) and continued on by Golden Foundry and the packing house. Out by the fairgrounds, there just a tad east of Central, there was a RR track, and maybe the continuation of the one I mentioned above. That track ran along the west side of the fairground race track. And did you note that on one of those maps, and one of the 'more recent ones' that the fairgrounds on 25th St. was not within the city limits-----------and saw that on a map that dated 'in my time.' Reference your post # 74 in this thread, a 1949 map. Just my input. Nanc
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2008 21:51:32 GMT -5
Hi Nanc........I am looking for that picture, in my stack of stuff ;D. I believe that picture of the train may be at the old Handle Factory at 14th and Michigan Ave . George
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