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Post by David Sechrest on Apr 28, 2008 17:58:58 GMT -5
"Columbus Tribute to The Railroads and W.W. Mooney & Sons Tannery"
What a grand picture of the train system, warehouses, loading carts and the tannery in the background. I guess the lady is just saying hello with a forked stick in her hand. Now, this truly shows the bringing together from the early days from horses, to flatboats and then the train system.
Bob [/size] The picture Bob used was taken from the Historic Columbus Indiana website. Phil Anderson, who put together a website about the JM&I Railroad (www.hometown.aol.com/ma393/railroad/index.htm) gave me permission to use the picture.
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Post by Gregg on Apr 28, 2008 22:48:41 GMT -5
David, As Phil described in his article, the lady worked at the PRR station,(probably as the dispatcher), and she is handing the engineer his train orders with the forked stick. There were a pair of strings spanning the distance between the forks, and a piece of paper called a "flimsy" could be wedged between them and handed up to the cab so the engineer could grab it without having to stop.
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Post by David Sechrest on May 28, 2008 15:11:13 GMT -5
I was at the library last week and ran across this item: This is a terrible reproduction, but it shows the "new" Pennsylvania Railroad bridge over the White River. The caption reads as follows: "Paralleling each other, the new and old bridges over the east fork of White River are shown in this picture. The improved structure is a 13 girder bridge with 14 reinforced concrete piers. The old bridge has been in service for many ywars and is now being removed. Samuel Espy, bridge inspector, stand by the old structure." This comes from The Evening Republican, dated November 2, 1929. The old bridge is on your right, with the new on the left. By all indications, this is the same bridge that still spans this fork of the White River. It is nigh on to impossible to see this bridge today on your way out of town and crossing the 3rd street bridge. Throughout the 60's and 70's, the 3rd St. PRR bridge was much more visible. While technological advances have improved dramatically since 1929, it appears the way they do it has not changed at all. For those of you who remember the demolition of the railroad bridge close to Mariah/Stadlers a few years ago (it was a fixture very visible if you travelled east on 2nd street for many years), they did it in the same manner.
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Post by blrohrig on Sept 26, 2008 13:32:48 GMT -5
I just this week discovered the picture of the PRR SD7 locomotive stopped at the south end of the North Madison yard as it was being prepared to traverse the Madison Hill grade. It was an emotional moment! It is the only photograph I know of that was taken during the PRR diesel era depicting the North Madison yard. I grew up about a mile away, and spent countless hours as a kid watching switching operations and getting to know Carl Brown, Virgil Bump, Bob Brown, A.J. Lehman, Elbert Innis and Ted Foist. I am attempting to create a replica of the photographed area in HO scale and was especially happy to see the tall switchstand used to throw the derail, a precaution to keep a rail car from getting away and rolling down the hill. Now perhaps I can model the unusual switchstand, which was dismantled in 1965 when Barber Grocery bought some PRR property for expansion, making it necessary to reconfigure the yard. The only other picture of the diesels specially equipped for the Madison Hill (that I know about, anyway) is of the companion #8588 (identical to #8589, except the whistle sounded different). This is a color photo in the book "Pennsylvania Railroad in the 1940s and 1950s" by Don Ball Jr. But the shot was taken in North Vernon. Virgil Bump (capturing a moment that revealed his personality!) is shown along with A.J. Lehman (brakeman) and a fireman neither I nor Lehman could identify.
If anyone's interested, my hunch is the North Madison photo was taken in late 1953 or early 1954. That's because cargo on at least one of the cars about to descend the grade appears to be a component of the Indiana-Kentucky Electric Corp. plant then under construction at the Ohio River's edge. The 8589 was almost new then--it made its first run on the Madison line in November 1953, it and the 8588 soon to replace H10 steam locomotives. My father worked at the IKEC plant; his job there was the reason we moved to Madison in 1954 from near Steubenville, Ohio, a big PRR area also on the Ohio.
Thank you, Linda, for posting the picture.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2008 18:32:22 GMT -5
This engine, built by the Baldwin Locomotive Works of Philadelphia ,was used on the Madison line in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. The water tanks above the drive wheels gave added traction on the sharp incline. birohrig, thought you may be interested in this picture if you don't already have it.
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Post by blrohrig on Sept 29, 2008 8:35:57 GMT -5
No, I didn't have this. Thank you! Interesting how close the road number on the Baldwin is to those of the diesels brought on in '53. Was this taken outside the roundhouse in Columbus?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2008 14:40:36 GMT -5
birohrig,
I'm sorry, but I don't have a location of this picture
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2008 18:24:44 GMT -5
The Reuben Wells was the heaviest locomotive in the world when built by the Jeffersonville, Madison and Indianapolis Railroad in 1868. It was the first locomotive to navigate the steep Madison incline without the use of a cogwheel system.
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Post by blrohrig on Oct 4, 2008 15:38:30 GMT -5
This picture was taken at the foot of the 5.9 percent grade in Madison...camera is on the Main Street overpass.
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Post by blrohrig on Oct 4, 2008 15:39:30 GMT -5
This picture was taken at the foot of the 5.9 percent grade in Madison...camera is on the Main Street overpass.
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Post by blrohrig on Oct 5, 2008 11:55:46 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm new at this...you might well have wondered what on Earth I was referring to in my previous post. Someone asked about the location of PRR locomotive 8589 and Carl Brown in the photo posted at the bottom of Page 5. It's in Madison, Indiana, at the foot of the Madison Hill.
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Post by Ricky_Berkey on Oct 5, 2008 12:29:33 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm new at this...you might well have wondered what on Earth I was referring to in my previous post. Someone asked about the location of PRR locomotive 8589 and Carl Brown in the photo posted at the bottom of Page 5. It's in Madison, Indiana, at the foot of the Madison Hill. I'm not sure if its still there but the Indianapolis Children's Museum used to have a great display showing the Madison Hill. It is (or was) down in the lower level near the Reuben Wells restoration.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2008 19:06:31 GMT -5
The Madison incline, work began in 1837 and it was completed in 1841. When first opened eight tandem-hitched horses pulled freight cars up the incline. Six years later a cogwheel system was introduced and was in use for the next 21 years.
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Post by RER on Sept 24, 2009 8:38:53 GMT -5
Steam Engine Train Rolling Into Columbus Around 1870s (see bottom note transfer info)First Comment: " In 1844 the first railroad in Indiana reached Columbus Indiana from Madison Indiana. This was known as the Madison branch of the Pennsylvania Railroad. The railroad allowed the community to grow into one of the larger communities in Indiana." The picture below is a wood fired steam engine arriving in Columbus Indiana. Source: From the New York Public Library by Schaub, J. T. -- Photographer. Original source: Robert N. Dennis collection of stereoscopic views. This image is in the public domain because it is a mere mechanical scan or photocopy of a public domain original, or – from the available evidence – is so similar to such a scan or photocopy that no copyright protection can be expected to arise. Picture from From Wikimedia Commons. Note I processed the picture to take out some of the yellow in the picture. For Your Information: Stereoscopy, stereoscopic imaging or 3-D (three-dimensional) imaging is any technique capable of recording three-dimensional visual information or creating the illusion of depth in an image. The illusion of depth in a photograph, movie, or other two-dimensional image is created by presenting a slightly different image to each eye. Many 3D displays use this method to convey images. It was first invented by Sir Charles Wheatstone in 1840. ______________________________ Note: This post is repeated in the 1800s decades threads. It was appropriate to place it under the railroad history of Columbus Indiana.
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Post by David Sechrest on Nov 3, 2009 3:40:49 GMT -5
Some of you may remember the name Phil Anderson. He wrote a history of the JM&I Railroad and offered it on the web. I provided a link to the site on the links page back when.
I checked Phil's site and it's no longer up. Apparently, he has written a book. The Bartholomew County Historical Society has a copy of it.
I'll dig out the link where you can buy the book and post the info here.
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Post by David Sechrest on Apr 28, 2010 14:38:43 GMT -5
I've posted some pictures from the 1960's downtown redevelopment on the website. Here are a few that I ran across and thought some may enjoy seeing them: Earl Hammack taking a nap in the sun in front of 29 4th St ( his mother and father in laws house) Here is the email I received regarding this picture: Hi Dave, my dad and I were looking at the Historic Columbus website and he says this picture of 29 4th St is his Grandparent's house. Their names were John and Anna Grider. They were relocated when the redevelopment took place in the late 60's early 70's. He believes the number that is in front of the house was either the date they had to be out of the house or the date the house was to be torn down. This is his mother's parents house. Dad's parents were Earl (Director of Maintenance for the Park Dept from the 1940's until his death in 1977) and Martha Hammack. GREG and LISA W. Dad says this is actually a train station if he remembers correctly. It was down along 4th St by the railroad tracks. GREG and LISA W. Regarding the train station, refer to Reply#4 on page 1 of this Thread. The address is 30 4th Street. Also, note in the first picture, you can see a little bit of Death Valley beyond the caboose.
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Post by David Sechrest on Oct 28, 2010 2:22:09 GMT -5
From The Republican, 1888:
From the veteran railroader, R. J. Elvin, who has been connected with the JM&I Railroad since the first line was constructed, and knows more about early railroading than any other man in the State, the following facts are obtained as to the first trains on the first railroad in the State. One thing that will strike the reader in glancing at this is the great length of time required to construct a road then compared with the present:
First Trains On The Madison & Indianapolis Railroad
Excursion train from head of incline plane to Big Creek - November 28, 1839 Regular trains from head in incline plane to Graham Creek - April 1, 1839 To Vernon - June 6, 1839 From Madison to Queensville - June 1, 1841 To Scipio - June, 1843 To Elizabethtown - September, 1843 To Clifty - February 20, 1844 To Columbus - July 1, 1844 To Edinburg - September 8, 1845 To Franklin - August, 1847 To Indianapolis - October 1, 1847 The Jeffersonville Railroad was finished from Jeffersonville to Columbus in the spring of 1852 and extended from Columbus to Edinburg in the fall of 1852. The Columbus & Shelbyville Railroad was commenced in June, 1853, and finished to Shelbyville the same year.
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Post by David Sechrest on Oct 28, 2010 18:41:33 GMT -5
I moved this from the 1800s Thread:
WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC DETAILS; NOT FOR THE FAINT-HEARTED
more from The Republican, 1888:
Killed By A Train
Word was received here last evening that the evening passenger train from Madison had run over and killed a man named William Ayers, of North Vernon, at the curve a mile and a half south of Queensville. Engineer K. P. Diffenderfer was at the throttle of the engine and Conductor William Hull had charge of the train. The reporter interviewed Engineer Diffenderfer this morning and learned from the following facts: As the train started around the curve, he stated that he noticed something lying on the track and thought it was a stick. The train was going at the rate of about 48 miles per hour and he immediately reversed the engine. When about 100 feet from the object he blew the whistle when, to his amazement, he saw it was a man lying with his head to the west, with both his head and feet inside of the rail. As soon as the whistle was blown, the fellow raised his head, looked at the coming train, then calmly laid his neck across the rail and waited quietly for the end which came in another instant. Diff said that the fellow had time to get off the track if he had desired and thinks that he suicided. When he saw that he would have to run over the fellow, he said he shut his eyes and waited the result. The man was terribly mangled, both his arms and legs being severed from the body. The head was picked up 100 feet and the heart 20 feet from where the body was found. The body was entirely stripped of its clothing. It is reported that the man had been in North Vernon yesterday in an intoxicated condition and had been run out of town by the Marshal of that place. It is supposed he came north on the railroad and when he came to the curve, could go no further and laid down upon the track, or that he concluded he would end his journey upon this world. The tragedy is very much to be regretted, and Diff says he will never be a sicker man upon his death bed than when he run over this fellow.
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Post by rcb on Feb 20, 2012 10:38:04 GMT -5
Anyone have pictures of the old PRR station in Columbus?
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Post by David Sechrest on Apr 3, 2012 6:51:30 GMT -5
Hello, rcb, and welcome!
I thought there was a picture posted in this Thread, but I must be thinking of a pic I saw in a book The Republic put out in 1997 called Columbus: 125 Years. I believe there is a picture of the station in that book.
Lemme check and I'll report back...
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