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Post by David Sechrest on Apr 11, 2008 12:30:28 GMT -5
RER wrote: "John F. Crump in his creative mind learned of trolley cars in Lafayette Indiana running on electrical generation for transportation."
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Post by RER on Apr 11, 2008 20:02:09 GMT -5
For David Sechrest's Consumption and Thoughts Per My PostReference: "Columbus Starts To Light Up With Electricity In The 1880s A controlled invention of Thomas Edison comes to life before the 1900s"This is a short for the page of information about the subject: Built Plant Late 1880s Note: I said some of my writing was speculative and this may be part of it. John S. Crump was on the same track of Lafayette Indiana development. Someone had to have the original thoughts and directions of the electrified trolley system. Lafayette was first and Columbus maybe second. Whom, was the person in what city had the original thoughts and money to do this? I have no idea, but they were close to each other. Single words and phrases can change the meaning and interruption of the text. I put a best effort to convey the unknown in the late 1880s and early 1900s. Let us face it! John S. Crump was a brilliant man of many creative thoughts, to add to the Columbus Indiana development during his stay in life. Change of sentence to accomodate conversation above: "B. Street lights in Columbus didn't come of age until the latter parts of the 1880s. Why? John F. Crump in his creative mind may have learned (speculative on may have learned) of trolley cars in Lafayette Indiana running on electrical generation for transportation". David Sechrest said to me in email: John Crump had the Crump Theatre built in 1889 and purchased the old Bissell Hotel around 1891. He connected the two with a tunnel so the actors wouldn’t have to walk through the streets to get to the theatre. His trolley car business started next, then the power plant. The power plant was located right behind the Belvedere hotel. Sources of information: Some history obtained from the book titled History of Public Services Indiana furnished by Bill Brown and Linda Brown. Portions of what I said are speculations on my part as I said in the bottom portion of my original post.
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Post by David Sechrest on Apr 12, 2008 1:02:09 GMT -5
Columbus did have gas lighting before electric lights were put in. It is unknown when the gas lighting was put along Washington Street. I will have to dig out Will Marsh's book I Discover Columbus. He talks of an elderly man who would go through town each morning and put the lights out, then turn around and light each one of them in the evening.
Rer wrote: "E. Once, the power plant (Mr. Crump built) was on-line and the overhead street wires complete the mules (or I like to use donkey) were put back to the farms I suppose."
One horse pulled trolley did remain for a short time after John Crump electrified his system. I think it was the Orinoco run, but I need to double check my info before I "lock that answer in..."
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Post by RER on Apr 12, 2008 7:59:28 GMT -5
Speaking Of Poles & Lighting Columbus StreetsDavid brought up a good point on gas lights before the electrical generation in Columbus. Below are two views of 3rd Street electrical poles systems being developed. The second picture is the in the middle of 3rd and Washington Streets next to the Bartholomew County Court House. The mule drawn trolley was headed toward Washington street hoofing East. Comment: Notice in the first picture there appears to be fresh dirt sort of packed around the base of the wooden pole. The dirt packing is spilling over the curb area into the street. This could indicate that the pole was placed shortly before this picture. This could lead us to saying this picture was in the late 1880s also. Wooden Poles Electrical Installations (mule close to retiring) Street Light In Center of Washington Street
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Post by RER on Apr 12, 2008 12:27:55 GMT -5
Looks Like Some 1880s Street Lights May Have Still Been Used In The 1920s This picture is at the intersection of 3rd and Lafayette Streets after 1924A. Note in the center of the street the overhanging old street light still being used. These light systems are left overs I suspect from the John S. Crump street trolley days. B. The Columbus Ice Plant in the background was built in 1924. C. An automobile is parked in front of the plant. Could this auto been a "Reeves Runabout" made in 1927? (maybe) D. This portion of 3rd Street is still dirt but a new telephone pole seems to be in place at the corner. E. The Interurban Line train tracks are shown in the middle of the street. I suspect the trolley system was long gone by then. Comment by George: "The big year for the interurban was 1900, there were many lines that started that year state wide. The line from Indianapolis to Columbus was opened September 19 ,1903. The best years for the interurban was from 1900 to about 1920, the automobile was becoming the way to travel, so at that time the interurban was slowly losing interest for traveling. The line to Columbus survived until the accident in 1941." The 1800s meet the 1900sAmazing: The Ice Plant is no longer operational to my knowledge, however the building was still standing in 2007. And of course the old light has been long gone! Interesting Construction Data & Experience: " Serv-Ice Plant & Coal Company Built In 1924 " Built By: C. D. Cook & Plant Produced 35 Tons Per Day The Plant Sold Coal and Ice for many years and was located on corner of Lafayette and 3rd Street. During the 1940s as a 1st & 2nd Grader I walked by here on the way home from Lincoln School ( 2nd & Franklin) and would get Ice chips Reference/picture: George made the comment at Re: Interurban Line « Reply #35 on Nov 6, 2007, 3:15pm within the boards. The picture was from an old CHS Log book.
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Post by RER on Apr 16, 2008 9:37:54 GMT -5
The 1886 Economy Was Becoming Robust For CitizensColumbus IndianaI have reviewed many articles, books, maps, directories and the like and one thing keeps popping up in my mind. That is Columbus was a very progressive and determined community to provide work for their citizens. There were many Flour & Grist Mills from the White River edges going North, East, South and West. Some business owners and industrialists became well known throughout the nation and some didn't. There were early industries like Mooney & Sons Tannery, Cerealine, Reeves Pulley, construction and building yards, furniture companies, wagon factories, horse stables, blacksmiths, and many more not named here. In their determination, creativity and wisdom they all worked together to provide a respectable quality of life. These folks were kind, hard working, religious, friendly, respectable folks with a vision, and family objectives. There were names like Crump, Irwin, Nobilitt & Sparks, Hamilton Cosco (later), Cummins (later), and even Donner that still floats around in our heads today. But, there were many, many more names that don't seem to get their old names in the pool of conversations. If you read all the posts in this historical web site you may see many more names, but that wouldn't cover them all. Each day we discover new names and businesses of the past that reward our history we attempt to write. Here are two businesses not discussed much to my knowledge. Fred Donner an industrialist is shown in the left corner and another company upper right. Fred Donner for your information was a kind man. Why do I say that for a guy that lived in the last half of the 1800s and forward? Because he donated the land of Donner Park we all have used and still use today. Additional Comment: F. Donner owned a Watch & Jewerly Store located on 3rd Street before and after 1868. His son William H. Donner was born in Columbus, Indiana, in 1864, Mr. Donner took over the family-owned grain mill while still in his twenties. In relatively short order, he restored to profitability what had previously been a failing enterprise. The Businesses Below (Before & after 1886): One: F. Donner & Son Flour and Grist Mill (5th Street) Two: Brinkle & Bosse Furniture Factory (6th Street)[/i] Directions: Top of map is North, bottom is South, Right is East and Left is West. Map dated January 1886Reference and source: The Sanborn Map data is from the study of recent maps that Richard sent me. They are further stamped for the files of the Library of Congress in Washington D.C. They are also available in the Columbus Library system. Some information found in the William H. Donner foundation, Inc. of New York.
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Post by RER on Apr 18, 2008 20:05:58 GMT -5
F. Donner & Son Elevators/Mill Year 1892 (116 Years Ago)Corner of Jackson & 5th Street (West of Washington Street)" Busy Men Indeed During Columbus Development"Comment: F. Donner's son William H. Donner would have been 28 years old during this period. They also, had a Jewerly Store on 3rd Street and a Grist Mill down on 5th and Pearl Streets. Legend of Colors:One: Top right Yellow F. Donner & Son Elevators and Mill. Two: Teal Blue are the railroad tracks coming from 3rd, 4th and crossing 5th Streets going on toward Cerealine company. Three: Orange is the St. Denis Hotel in 1892. Four: The pink is the future Irwin Union Bank and is today this year of 2008. Five: Small green lower right was the position of the old Rio Theater but not in those days, but in the 1940s and 1950s. Directions: Top of map is West, North is right side of page, East is bottom of page and South is left side of page. City Hall at Corner of 5th & Franklin Had Not Been Built YetReference and source: The Sanborn Map data is from the study of recent maps that Richard sent me. They are further stamped for the files of the Library of Congress in Washington D.C. They are also available in the Columbus Library system.
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Post by RER on Apr 20, 2008 10:38:50 GMT -5
In 1890 The Future 1950s"Jive Kennel" Land Was a Horse Stable (Livery) It was called the B. Patterson's LiveryComment: So, I guess we can say that corner "horsed around' from 1890 to 1960 or so; or seventy years of horse play. On the serious side we can assume that the livery stable was convenient to put your horse and wagon up to attend the Crump Theater, or even attend Lincoln School.Legend of Colors: One: Yellow the horse stable and future Jive Kennel area. Two: Orange is the Crump Theater in 1890 Three: The Teal Blue is Lincoln School built in 1877. (131 years old today) Left Dotted Line: 3rd Street Right Dotted Line: 2nd Street Directions: Top of Picture is East, bottom West, Left is North, Right is South Map 1890 From Stable (horses) to Kennel (Dogs) Lincoln Today Since 1877Reference and source: The Sanborn Map data is from the study of recent maps that Richard sent me. They are further stamped for the files of the Library of Congress in Washington D.C. They are also available in the Columbus Library system.
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Post by nancs on Apr 20, 2008 18:55:16 GMT -5
In 1890 The Future 1950s"Jive Kennel" Land Was a Horse Stable (Livery) It was called the B. Patterson's LiveryComment: So, I guess we can say that corner "horsed around' from 1890 to 1960 or so; or seventy years of horse play. On the serious side we can assume that the livery stable was convenient to put your horse and wagon up to attend the Crump Theater, or even attend Lincoln School.[/i][/quote] The above comment was interesting. Factually, I know that my uncle John Hughes, CHS 1924, who passed in July 2007, at age 102, drove his horse and buggy into town from Burnsville each day to attend his last two years of high school as Burnsville only offered the first two years of high school. In the memories that he wrote, he mentioned that he stabled his horse during the day at some nearby livery stable. During the winter months he lived with a local doctor, doing chores for his room and board. Nanc
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Post by RER on Apr 26, 2008 9:28:54 GMT -5
Columbus Progressive Industrial Base & Schools Before 1892Below beyond the Grist Mills, furniture companies, Crump Trolleys, and merchant stores downtown is the economy in progressive action and educational expansion.Comment: Before 1892 and forward to various dates the industrial base was building which included W.W. Mooney & Son Tannery, Cerealine, and Reeves Pulley among a few others like Union Starch. Cummins wasn't even thought of during this time period of the industrial base for Columbus. The First Columbus High School is shown below during that 1890s period.Identities of pictures: (A) W.W. Mooney & Son Tannery, (B) The very first Columbus High School & Later Boys Club (C) Cerealine and (D) Reeves Pulley Company. (A) (B) (C) (D) __________________________________________ Legend of Colors Below (Top of Map North):One: Teal Blue is location of W.W. Mooney Tannery 1892 and before on Brown Street. Two: Orange is location of Cerealine in 1892 and before on 7th and Jackson Streets. Three: The top yellow is the First Columbus High School in 1892 on Pearl Street. This building still stands today this year of 2008. This is before Central High or Junior High later became the Columbus High School. Four: The lower green is the lower class school (public school) building before the high school was expanded and moved to this location. Five: At the far end of 7th Street not shown was Reeves Pulley Company during this time period. Note: Mechanics Street was renamed to Lafayette Street during World War I.Reference and source: The Sanborn Map data is from the study of recent maps that Richard sent me. They are further stamped for the files of the Library of Congress in Washington D.C. They are also available in the Columbus Library system.
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Post by jdhinkle on May 5, 2008 11:34:40 GMT -5
[img src="[/img] "]I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHO HAD THE PATENT ON THE LAND AROUND THE AREA OF THE LOWELL MILLS TOWN IN THE EARLY YEARS YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE NUMBER TEN WHICH REPRESENTS SECTION 10 OF THE TOWNSHIP THE MAP I HAVE ATTACHED SHOWS THE PEOPLE WHO PURCHASED THE LAND ORIGINALLY IN THAT AREA THE SECOND MAP SHOWS THE LAND WITH THE MARKINGS OF PLACES IN RELATION TO THE SECTION SUCH AS RIVERVIEW, FOREST PARK, COLUMBUS AND GARDEN CITY YOU WILL NOTICE THAT COLUMBUS IS IN SECTION 24 THE TOWN OF LOWELL IS IN SECTION 2 IN THE MAP OF THE PREVIOUS POST YOU CAN SEE LOWELL MILLS WAS IN SECTION 9 JUST WEST OF SECTION 10 NOTE; YOU CAN RIGHT CLICK ON THE MAP AND SAVE IT AND THE GO TO YOUR PICTURE MODE AND ZOO THE VARIOUS AREAS THESE TWO MAPS WERE COPIED FROM THE BOOK OF MAPS DESCRIBED IN THE THREAD ABOUT BOOKS ABOUT BARTHOLOMEW COUNTY
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Post by David Sechrest on May 6, 2008 0:06:04 GMT -5
Bob, regarding your American Starch Company post: It would be best to create a new American Starch Company thread in the Industry: A History Lesson In Columbus Manufacturing section and then move your post there.
Thank you!
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Post by David Sechrest on May 6, 2008 0:16:27 GMT -5
On 4.21.2008, RER wrote: "Two: The lower Yellow is the Columbus Library that was opened (August 1899) to the public."
Columbus' first library was located on the second floor of the old City Hall on the corner of 5th and Franklin.
The "Carnegie" Library on the corner of 5th and Lafayette was opened to the public on June 1, 1903.
When the "new" Cleo Rogers Memorial County Library building replaced it in 1969, the ground also included that one block section of Lafayette St.
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Post by David Sechrest on May 11, 2008 15:11:14 GMT -5
Bob May I gently correct your spelling ? It is AZAILA. My daughter BETH had a girlfriend there with the last name Lykins. Cannot remember her first name . Of course now most of the community's residents are either a Lykins or related to one. They have a very active Church listed below. Famous for their Fall Hog Roast and Quilt Sale.
This farming community still receives their mail through Elizabethtown.
Sandcreek-Azaila Friends Meeting (WYM) -- 13275 S. 350 E. -- Elizabethtown, IN 47232 -- [/size] As early as 1879 (referencing the Illustrated Historical Atlas of Bartholomew County, 1879), "Azaila" is spelled as "Azailia." It's kinda like "Edinburg." I've seen it spelled Edinburg and Edinburgh. I don't even think the city knows how to spell it!
Azailia was originally inhabited by Quakers and played an important role in the Underground Railroad.
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Post by David Sechrest on May 28, 2008 15:49:24 GMT -5
The First Paper Carriers (from The Evening Republican, Thursday, January 4, 1900) Away back in 1877 when The Evening Republican first began appearing every day as Columbus' first daily paper and several years later when the Columbus Democrat began publishing a daily paper, there were about nine little fellows of this city who were the first paper carriers for both of these papers. The carriers were: Will Mooney, David Rosenheim, Charles E. Miller, Will Long, Tom Long, Charles Jackson, Walter Comstock, Will Irwin and William H. Donner. They were the first daily paper carrier boys in Columbus. Looking at their names, it is discovered that they have all prospered financially and otherwise. William A. Mooney is now secretary and treasurer of W. W. Mooney & Sons Tannery, one of the largest in the U. S. David Rosenheim is now in Chicago and is worth over $100,000. He has made very cent of it himself. Charles E. Miller is now in the U. S. Navy Department at Brooklyn N. Y. and is doing well. Will Long is now deceased but before he died, he had made considerable money and had several pieces of property to his credit. Thomas D. Long is a prosperous attorney at Kalispel (sp), Montana. Charles Jackson is now general manager of the Buckeye Buggy Works at Columbus Ohio, one of the biggest manufactories of buggies in the coutnry. Walter Comstock is a member of Schwartz Dupee & Co. of Chicago, beyond doubt the largest and wealthiest commission house in the middle west. William G. Irwin is cashier of Irwin's Bank in this city and undoubtedly one of Columbus' shrewest financiers. William H. Donner has attained almost national eminence as a business man in his connection with the manufacture of tin-plate and the organization of the tin-plate trust. He is a director of the American Tin Plate Company at Monessen Pennsylvania and superintendant of the Union Steel Co. of Pittsburg PA. From the above, it will be seen that they are all what the sporting gentry would term "top-notchers" and they are but yet young men. Their ages will average 33. The question that naturally arises is, if the first set of daily paper carriers in this city achieved such wonderful business success, what will the later set of carriers do? It remains for them to distance their predecessors and time alone will answer the question which has arisen. But where in any city or town the size of Columbus will you find such a record as the one given above?
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Post by RER on Oct 29, 2008 15:09:59 GMT -5
Historical Voting In Indiana & National Elections Since 1807 (201 Years Ago)Vote November 4, 2008 Your State and Nation Depends on "Your Vote & Freedom"Comment: All American citizens should vote including Senior citizens. If you need a ride or transportation to vote call a friend, relative or even a taxi. It is of extreme importance that you vote your choice.! This is your country, and was your great great grandfathers'. great grandfathers,' grandfathers,' fathers', and your own families, and off-springs' country. The question is what do you want your country to be, or become? It is your choice, but I know my choice, do you? The short history overview shows the struggles of our great American country, that has passed in our history. Let "Freedom and Democracy Ring" loud in this great country.
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Post by Wotsthdeal on Nov 12, 2008 11:28:03 GMT -5
Hello all! I have just finished several days perusing your message board and thoroughly enjoying all the information I've gleaned from it. I'm very impressed by your dedication to Columbus's history and the amount of work you all have put in!
I'm from Anderson, so I have an affection for Indiana history. Presently I'm researching some ancestors that lived in Columbus from at least 1860 til their deaths in the early 1900's.
Amos Sine owned a hotel and bar in 1870 according to the 1870 census. Firstly, I'm trying to determine which one and the location. The census gives you some idea about neighbors, but I think the census takers skipped around a lot too. (By 1880 they would add addresses)
Amos was a cooper in 1850 (Ohio)and 1860 (in Columbus). He paid property tax in 1862-3-4-5 for $1 for a buggy, so he didn't have the hotel by then. By 1880 he lived at 716 Jackson St. and was again a cooper. I haven't yet found any more tax rolls.
Secondly, I'm on the lookout for any other information about the family, wife Ellen Barnes, children, inlaws Orrin and Alice Williams. There was some outbreak of cholera or something in 1894 and George and Emma Sine lost 4 of her 5 children in one week in July. Wonder if anyone knows anything about that?
I love the old photos and plats of the city. It's great to visualize the old family riding the buggy around town and selling beers to the folks.
Thanks in advance for any thoughts or info.
Jane
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Post by RER on Apr 15, 2009 19:07:42 GMT -5
A Further Confirmation Of The Mauxferry Road Trail & DetailsLongest State Road During Construction Between 1823-1824Comment: The partial map shows many broken lines in black which are additional trails during the 1834 period.Yellow Line Starts in Kentucky: This yellow line shows the trail and path next to the Ohio River. The pioneers used this direction all the way south/west and arrived across from Muackport (Mauxferry) Indiana. Please note that the trace/trail direction did not show crossing the Ohio River in general until the immigrants arrived across the river from Mauckport Indiana. The closest Kentucky town today at that location would be maybe Brandenburg Kentucky. This confirms somewhat that the pilgrims used the Mauxferry Indiana ferry boats to cross the Ohio at that location. The yellow trail goes through Mauxferry, Corydon, Columbus, near Edinburg, Franklin, Indianapolis and North to Clinton County. The teal line is a trail from Jefferson County area to Columbus. The Red area is Columbus, and the Blue is Indianapolis. Land above Indianapolis was mostly undeveloped and controlled by Indians for the most part. Source: Map by S. Augustus Mitchell during year 1834
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Post by RER on Jun 4, 2009 13:38:05 GMT -5
A Neat Little Summary About Indiana's Mother Road From Madison & The Mauxferry Road I have posted many things about the Mauxferry Road, but this person named Jay Allen has an interesting twist on his explanation of the two most earliest roads of Indiana. Go here to read and see his map similar to the ones I posted in the past: www.keywestshrimphouse.com/madison_road_indianas_oldest_roa.htm Mauxferry Road Looking North Camp Atterbury_____________________________________________________________ A Madison 1800s Bridge Going North Toward Columbus (West of city) and US 421 (located on country road 13 miles North of Madison) This bridge runs close to the old Jefferson Proving Grounds. The road eventually was connected to the US 421 that later was called the Michigan Road. The person that took the picture said he knows of only two bridges this old. This bridge was a single lane when built and still is today. A Close up view of the very old stones Review Comment: In the early 1800s Madison area develped two main roads going North. One was the present day highway 7 and 46 into Columbus. This was the earliest highway from Madison. Also, later in 1832 the Michigan Highway was built from Madison to Lake Michigan area and commonly referred to at times as US 421. The oldest highway was Mauxferry Road built in 1822 and 1823 that started at the Ohio River below Corydon at Mauckport Indiana, through Columbus and ended in Indianapolis. Mauxferry Road Camp Atterbury Source: Last two colored pictures by Chris Pearson at his blog site Note: This is repost to place it in the correct board location and to change some information.
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Post by RER on Jun 12, 2009 20:06:58 GMT -5
Colonial Occupations/Words Of The 1700s & 1800s Plus The Meanings
As we know the earliest settlers came from England, Italy, France, Germany or I should say mostly European countries. Of course there were other nationalities from other countries such as Asian and others.
Anyway, it was amusing to me to read some of their words they commonly used during the earliest days of America. Now, some words are still used today and understood. However, many words if heard or pronounced in conversations would stop the listening person in his or her tracks. And I suppose the person might say: "what did you say, and what did you mean?"
Here are a few examples for this post:
Words of the Past .................................. Meaning
Leech or Sawbones.........................................A physician, especially a surgeon. Pettifogger........................................A shyster lawyer. To bicker or quibble over trifles or unimportant matters. to carry on a petty, shifty, or unethical law business. Porter................................................A door keeper Mason...............................................A Bricklayer (same title today) Vulcan...............................................A blacksmith Spinster............................................A women who spins or an unmarried women Sorter...............................................A tailor Hooker.............................................A reaper Duffer...............................................Peddler Haymonger......................................Dealer of hay Dowser............................................One who finds water using a rod or witching stick Dresser............................................A surgeon's assistant in a hospital (may still be used today) Almoner................. Giver of charity Ananuensis....................... Secretary or Stenographer Bluestocking.................. Female writer Boniface.................. Keeper of an inn Burgomater................ Mayor Chandler.............. Candlemaker Chiffonier........................... Ragpicker Colporteur............................... Peddler of books Cordwainer................................ Made shoes Costermonger......................... Peddler of fruits and vegetables Crowner.......................... Coroner Docker............................. Stevedore Dowser.......................... Water finder Fletcher................................. Made bows and arrows Fuller...................... Cleaned and finished cloth Gaoler..................... Jailer Glazier.................... Window glassman Hatcheler................... Combed or carded flax Hooper........................... Made hoops for casks & barrels Hostler (or Ostler)......................... Groomed horses Manciple.............................Steward Mintmaster........................... Issued local currency Peregrinator............................... Itinerant wanderer (or nickname for the Governor of California ...smile Arnold) Peruker............................. Wigmaker Pumbum Worker............................ Plumber Rattlewatch...................... Town watchman Scrutineer..................... Election judge Shrieve……………………….Sheriff Snobcat........................ Repaired shoes Sortor........................ Tailor Stuffgownsman.................... Junior barrister Tide Waiter.................. Customs inspector Tipstaff........................ Policeman Webster................................ Operated looms Wharfinger.......................... Owner of a wharf
Comment: If you have any old words that your are aware of or some that are still used today, please put them on the pages here.
Source: This information from "Old Farmer's Almanac," reprinted in Dec. 1986 by "Roots Digest," Ronald A. Bremer, Publisher
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