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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2006 15:35:33 GMT -5
Looks some what different today in that area of town. Card postmarked Dec. 14, 1909.
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Post by nancs on Aug 23, 2006 19:05:08 GMT -5
In reference to the Garland Brook 10th Street gate post card that Geroge posted, # 102-------- When I was in Columbus in July, one quest that I had was to establish, if I could, the fact that according to 'a Smith family (my mom's side) story' my great grandfather, S. Webber Smith, sold part of his farm to become Garland Brook Cemetery. The 'story' further goes that my GG selected his family plot at the time of the sale, now Section 16, as that was 'his favorite spot' of his farm. Might add that our family chose to bury my dad on this plot. Richard and I did a lot of research to confirm some of this, as well as attempt to pinpoint a location for my great grandfather's home 'on east 7th St.' (a photo of that home is in Misc. Columbus IN topics, p. 4, reply #54). We did find a good deal of info, but some of the pieces to this puzzle have yet to jell. We did find info indicating that my GG did sell six acres for Garland Brook. BUT, Richard and I have puzzled long and hard about that 10th St. Gate, as we believe that the six acres involved are pretty much at that NE corner of 10th and McClure Rd./Lover's Lane, and the stone gate just not 'quite in the right spot.' Why wasn't it 'centered' in the existing acreage? In an early cemetery map that Richard posted it indicates another 10th St. gate closer to McClure Rd. It would appear that current sections 16, 17, 18, 19, and 1 and 2 are part of that acreage. In newspaper articles that we found, it was mentioned that the cemetery originally was to have a section for Catholic families, a section for 'part' Catholic families, and a section for Protestants. I am saying that section 16 was the Protestant section, and to the east, Section 17 was the Catholic section. Just judging by names I could recognize. The 10th Street gate just doesn't 'quite fit' and has been a puzzlement to both of us. If you have Tamara Stone Iorio's recent postcard book, you can reference page 100 for additional 10th St. gate photos. And in the top one, greatly magnified, one can see 'a building' off to the west, which would be in the direction of 7th St. According to the Columbus directories of about 1882-1883, it lists S. Webber Smith living 1 mile east of Columbus. Not being able to confirm the city limits at that time, I am guessing that the home mentioned above would be on east of where 7th St. ends at Gladstone now, and within what is now the cemetery grounds. Now surfaces the postcard by George, and yet another building to be identified!!!!!!!!!!!! In what we believe to be that 'six acres.' As I was organizing paperwork today from my research I found an interesting article-------by Joe Gill in the Republic, dated March 20, 1994, and it cites information from Wm. Marsh's book. This article states that the 'first cemetery' (not City Cemetery, but another one) was located in the vicinity of 10th and Wilson, hence the jog in the street to go around these early burial plots. Wm. Brockman is given credit for the developement of Garland Brook. It mentions the purchase of 'six acres' for Garland Brook in June 1886, if I read the article correctly, and goes on to state that those buried at 10th and Wilson were moved, along with the tombstones to the 'new cemetery.' Richard has done quite a bit of 'exploring' here lately, and has found some really early dates, ones that didn't coincide with the dates that we had for Garland Brook 'beginnings,' being much earlier dates. Seems to me that we are getting closer to an explanation. Still sort of puzzling about that 10th St. gate, according to this article, it says that the stone gateway and a chapel were put there in 1902. Additonal acreage was purchased, three acres in 1895, and four more acres in 1906. I share this mostly to indicate how 'research' can go in so many different directions, from a variety of sources, some of which are beginning to take shape, and make a bit more sense. Thanks George for posting that card, it offers more food for thought. I need to make another trip to just unravel more of this puzzlement. And Richard, please add, or edit this to clarify. Thanks. Nanc
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2006 20:57:17 GMT -5
Nanc, Thanks for all the great information, Richard and I have talked about about this and He is still working on working on it , I will give him some help in a few days when I get my vision back. I had cataract surgery yesterday and I'm not seeing real well yet on the computer!!! .
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Post by Babs on Aug 24, 2006 7:47:49 GMT -5
Hi George, Hope you had a successful cataract surgery and everything will be back to normal soon. I had mine a year ago and am so pleased at how well I see now. Quick healing so you can get back to posting more postcards.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2006 10:17:28 GMT -5
Babs, Thanks very much, I noticed some improvement this morning but it is still hard to look at the bright screen, George
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Post by nancs on Aug 24, 2006 12:10:53 GMT -5
In the interest of continuity, am putting this 'piece of recent research' into this thread, as it refers to S. Webber Smith, and the Columbus city limits mentioned in my post about Garland Brook, etc. In attempting to establish the city limits in the late 1880s the best I could come up with was from an atlas in the library, dated, I believe, early 1900. At that time, it 'appears' that the city limits went to Hawcreek. Armed with that info, and checking the distance with my car, from 7th and Gladstone west, going one mile (the distance from the 1882-1883 city directory stating where S. Webber lived) put one in the vicinity of the high school there on 7th. Hmmmmm. Which leads me to believe that the house (S. Webber's) I am attempting to pinpoint would have actually been within the current cemetery grounds. From that I returned, once again, to the cemetery office, yes, I know those ladies!!!!!!! They are wonderful. And they 'produced' an 'abstract' book. Within that, from what appears to be some of the final paperwork settling S. Webber's estate, I found the following rather 'amusing' information. For those that understand some of these map notations, it states the piece of property as being located in SW 1/4 of Section 19, Township 9, North, of Range 6, East. It goes on to state that the party purchasing the property (grantors) 'agree to donate the land and to open Seventh Street East from Cottage Avenue in the City of Columbus to the East line of their subdivision, and to erect a foot bridge across Haw Creek at said Seventh Street extension.' (Might add here, this was my haunting grounds in the 40s) Dated June 24, 1909 I can only guess, but beyond Haw Creek, at that date, it must have been just a very simple type country road on to the east, and horse and buggies would be fording Haw Creek there at 7th St. With the addition of a 'foot bridge' it seems to be reasonable that more people were living in that area east of Hawcreek. I suppose the next piece to the puzzle that one should ask, 'Is when was the first cement/concrete 7th St. bridge over Hawcreek put in?' Check out the 'Rivers' thread, for 'the rest of the story.' Thanks, Richard.No genealogy here, that does not fascinate me, the 'stories' do. Nanc
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Post by Babs on Aug 24, 2006 12:44:20 GMT -5
George, The bright light might be something that will continue to bother you for a while. When I can't sleep and get up during the night and come to the computer, I have to close my eyes for a few minutes and take my time getting used to the bright screen. During the daytime, I have no problem whatsoever. Its the same thing if I drive after dark, the oncoming lights bother my eyes. I think it has to do with the type of implants they put into our eyes. I am just so thankful to be able to see better that these are minor inconveniences. It will get better and I'm sure you will be glad you chose to have the cataracts removed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2006 18:48:18 GMT -5
Hi Babs, Thanks for the information, my eyes are now starting to adjust to the computer screen, anything in color is a lot essayer on the eyes right now though. My vision outside is much better today. I my try to post a card in a little while!!!!! .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2006 19:06:31 GMT -5
This is a Hope, IN. card but I am sure we have viewers from that area, or maybe members. The card is postmarked 1909. If anyone knows the name of the cross street on this card please let us know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2006 19:16:32 GMT -5
Back of above card.
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Post by Margo CHS Class of 55 on Aug 30, 2006 0:05:10 GMT -5
Ref # page 2 reply #29 at the bottom of the page. Somehow George posted this card on 6/29/06 and it wound up at the very bottom of page #2.
Thanks for posting this card George !!! I had completely forggotten about the Gamble Store (located by awning and pink sign located bottom left ) during this time. My classmate and friend( Kay Pankow Newton) 's Father..Clive Pankow.. was the Manager of this store for many years.
He was able to bring a TV set home and that's how we were introduced to the good ol' B & W. As they improved the sets he brought the newest model home each time. We were priviledged to spend many a night in their front living room ( 8th and Hutchins) watching the shows. They lived next door to my Aunt and Uncle... Margaret and Walter Schwartzkopf. I can't remember when we were finally able to afford a TV set but have fond memories of theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2006 15:45:33 GMT -5
Card is not dated. 25th St. or 17th St., anyone ??.
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Post by David Sechrest on Aug 30, 2006 16:00:27 GMT -5
Hi George! Heard about your eye surgery and I sure do hope you're getting along better with each passing day!
When I first saw this postcard while scanning Dr. Iorio's postcard collection, without even thinking about it, I just assumed it was the State Street location. I really don't know why I just assumed it was State Street. I guess it was because State Street (aka Burnsville Pike) was such a busy road.
Then I thought about 7th Street. Then I thought about 10th Street.
I would think 17th Street would be the best choice, but still...I'm uncertain...
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Post by nancs on Aug 30, 2006 17:46:35 GMT -5
Hi, and just my two cents worth about the Hawcreek Bridge postcard that George posted. For certain, it is NOT 7th St., reference photos in the Rivers thread, plus 7th St. had NO light posts. I would eliminate 10th St. as what I recall was an iron bridge, and that bridge going back to my dad's youth. Nanc
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2006 19:25:08 GMT -5
Hi Nanc, Thanks Nanc, I notice a little improvement each day on my eyes. From your post on rivers I knew that it was not 7th St., I also remember 10th St. was a iron bridge. For some reason or the other I keep thinking the old 25th St. bridge was a iron bridge, 25th St. being low in that area, that being be for the present bridge. Someone will know, have a great day George
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Post by Babs on Aug 31, 2006 13:15:49 GMT -5
I agree with David, I think this postcard is of the 17th Street area. It seems to me that was the bridge you crossed when you were going to the hospital.
Also regarding the bridge over this same creek going out to East Columbus, that particular bridge was an iron one . My very first time to take our family car out alone, I had a flat tire on that bridge (I was just 16 and had just gotten my driver's license.) Thinking I should not stop on the bridge, I went on across and pulled off just as soon as I could. I ruined the tire and I just knew my dad would never let me borrow the car ever again. He did though but boy do I remember that bridge!
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Post by David Sechrest on Aug 31, 2006 22:39:47 GMT -5
Babs, when you said that the old State Street bridge was an iron bridge, you mean one similar to the one that was demolished on 31 going out of town? Boy, it's really hard for me to picture that. Growing up in East Columbus from 1954 to 1965, I always remember that bridge looking pretty similar to the way it looks today. I had no idea that there was once an iron bridge there!
I meant to to by the bridge on 25th Street today to take a look underneath, but got side-tracked and forgot.
I hope we find out the location of that bridge in the postcard!
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Post by Babs on Sept 1, 2006 10:37:04 GMT -5
Yes David, I know I only said bridge going to E.C, where I should've said State Street but it was a big iron bridge with a top over it. When you have an event such as I did happen to you, its not something you are likely to forget. I have no idea when the metal bridge was replaced but it had to be sometime just prior to your memory of this one.
Also I am fairly certain the bridge in the post card is the one over the creek on 17th Street, just before the hospital. When I took my first look at it, I recalled the lights, etc. on that particular bridge.
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Post by mfaure on Sept 1, 2006 14:21:17 GMT -5
alright guys
It was a big bridge with all the concrete buffers on the ends and sides. I remember standing on one of them and watching the water during the 1937 flood. Of course I got a lickin all the way home. Scared my mother out of at least 5 years. I bet he doesn't remember the old furniture factory on the west side of the bridge on the south side of second street. or, the ice cream place on the other side of third st. Then there was the Allis Chalmers implement place then 2 houses then the Mill. Remember when the mill burned for about two weeks if I remember correctly.
One of my horses used to love to pick the lock on his gate so he could run away, cross the bridge, go down in the weeds behind the furniture factory and gorge himself on horse weed. traffic always seemed to stop for him. Of course, I guess you would too if you saw a big black and white 17 hands tall bulldozer coming your way.
Those were the days my friend
Margie
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 19:31:54 GMT -5
Margie
I would like to thank you and everyone for your interest and input on the bridge post card, that is what this site is all about and makes it so interesting. I personally think that it is the 17th St. bridge, I do wish some one who knows what the old 25th St. bridge was would let us know then I would have less doubt about the post card being the 17th St. bridge. Yes, I do remember the ice cream store on 3rd St., been there many times. Was the furniture factory later Ziegler's boat shop?. There are some pictures of the fire that you mentioned in the fire dept. post that I made. While in that location of town, do you remember a dinner being on the north side of 3rd St. on the west side of the bridge?.
George
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