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Post by richard on Jan 24, 2007 16:37:26 GMT -5
Bob, In reference to your post #183 today, below is the listing from the City Directory in 1953.
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501 Smith's Jewelry Inc. 502 Hook's Drug Co. 503 Orville J. Kelly (popcorn) 509 Davis Cleaners 509 ½ Cook Building Central Business Service (accountants), Indianapolis Conservatory of Music (branch), Mrs. Florence V. Palmer (alterations), Hod Carriers & Laborers Union Local N. 741, Baby Welcome Service 510 Cummins Engine Co. (display room) 512 Yellow Front Shoe Shop (repairs) 513 Hoosier Meat Market 513 ½ no return 515 Frohman's Ready-to-Wear (women’s Clothing) 515 ½ Richard E. Gulley 517 Benzol Co. Inc. 518 Clarence A. Jenkins (barber) 519 Singer Sewing Machine Co. 520 Malcolm T. Ross (jewelry) 521 Farmers Production Credit Assn. , Raymond E. Sawyer (optometrist) 521 ½ Mrs. Ina M. Miller, Richard A. Flohr, Otha Larkin, Marvin D. Hughes 522 Paris Style Inc. 522 ½ Mrs. Mildred Hughes, Alta B. Helms 523 Neal Paint & Wall Paper Store 523 ½ Mrs. Dorothy Coker, Charles Trotter 524 Amick & Smith Insurance Agency 525 Sap's Bakery & Delicatessen 525 ½ Elite Beauty Shop, J. Carl Haney (photographer) 526 Jones Inc. 526 ½ Mrs. Gladys Flanary, Maurice Morrison, Vacant 527 Goodyear Service Store 528-30 Guarantee Tire & Rubber Co. 529 Vogue Furniture Inc. 533 Lord's Shop (women's clothing) 533 ½ Edward L. Felts, Fred Long, Ben Gassaway 534 Lib's Nook (restaurant) 538-40 Montgomery Ward & Co. 542 Vacant 544 Home Federal Saving's & Loan 544 ½ Apartments 1 Mrs. Leona Noland 2 Vacant 3 Gladys R. Fawcett 4 Vincent Bartlett 5 Claude W. Sly 6 Frances Long 7 Emma Brownfield 8 Aline Patch 546 Indiana Gas & Water Co. Inc.
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Post by richard on Jan 24, 2007 16:38:39 GMT -5
Below is another ad that appeared in December of 1947.
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Post by RER on Jan 24, 2007 17:23:30 GMT -5
To Summarize Where We Are On 5th and Washington Street For The Years 1947 and 1956
COMMENT ONE: The picture that Nanc referenced in the 1940s, page 3 is before they built the buildings in the triangle space on the corner of 5th Street and Washington. The picture shows a "Win A Nash" vehicle and a small building within the triangle space behind the Nash sign. Now, the alone building behind the Nash sign, may have been a Popcorn Concession Shop before the main building shown here today. It has a lot of glass windows all around it, which sort of reminds me of a concession.
COMMENT TWO: The statement I made about the Pop Corn Shop and Jewelry was in fact correct based on Richard's 1953 directory which I have also. Here is the partial of Richard's research on the corner of 5th Street going down Washington:
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501 Smith's Jewelry Inc. 502 Hook's Drug Co. 503 Orville J. Kelly (popcorn) 509 Davis Cleaners 509 ½ Cook Building Central Business Service (accountants), Indianapolis Conservatory of Music (branch), Mrs. Florence V. Palmer (alterations), Hod Carriers & Laborers Union Local N. 741, Baby Welcome Service 510 Cummins Engine Co. (display room) 512 Yellow Front Shoe Shop (repairs) 513 Hoosier Meat Market
COMMENT THREE: The 1947 picture terrain I don't remember because I was very young and not in school yet, living at the end of 5th Street next to Cummins. However, I do remember the Smith's Jewelry store on the corner of 5th and Washington. I don't remember the Pop Corn in the rear in the same structure though. I don't know what year all was torn down but these two pictures show the progression of the city from and before 1947 through parts or all of the 1950s.
COMMENT FOUR: As Nanc observed also the street corner sign shows a 5th and Washington in the 1947 picture. The 5 isn't totally shown but you can tell it had to be a 5.
COMMENT FIVE:
The Baby Welcome Service was shown in both pictures, so it had been around for awhile I guess. Additionally, going from the corner of 5th and traveling down toward Cummins the additional businesses are shown on 5th Street in 1953:
402 Paul W. Smith (insurance)
406 The Margo Shop (milliners)
408 Milton Hat Shop (milliners)
409 Smith Studios (photographers)
410 John S. McGinnis (real estate)
414-16 Anderson's (women's clothes)
414 Fifth Street Sandwich Shop (I remember this place also)
415 Luci-Marie Beauty Shop
418 Polly's Barber Shop (Got haircuts here at times)
417 Earl W. Hawes Insurance (Dad bought his insurance here)
419 Wille Food Shop (restaurant)
420 Rio Theater (Went here at times was very small then)
Bob
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Post by nancs on Jan 25, 2007 8:05:53 GMT -5
Hi to all, and in the interest of continuity, altho' the photo that Richard has provided is from the 1956 Log, it does 'belong' in this spot. The first photo that 'we' (Richard, thanks for providing same) posted was to show the Hoosier Meat Market, indeed that is only part of the photo, as it was a double page in the '56 Log. To give a visual representation of the addresses, etc. that Bob provided: COMMENT FIVE:
The Baby Welcome Service was shown in both pictures, so it had been around for awhile I guess. Additionally, going from the corner of 5th and traveling down toward Cummins the additional businesses are shown on 5th Street in 1953:
402 Paul W. Smith (insurance)
406 The Margo Shop (milliners)
408 Milton Hat Shop (milliners)
409 Smith Studios (photographers)
410 John S. McGinnis (real estate)
414-16 Anderson's (women's clothes)
414 Fifth Street Sandwich Shop (I remember this place also)
415 Luci-Marie Beauty Shop
418 Polly's Barber Shop (Got haircuts here at times)
417 Earl W. Hawes Insurance (Dad bought his insurance here)
419 Wille Food Shop (restaurant)
420 Rio Theater (Went here at times was very small then)Including the 'Win a Nash' photo here for ease in comparing. The top photo shows, in my opinion, that the popcorn stand and the jewelry store were all 'one building.' It was interesting to note that Bob noticed a 'free standing' building in the 1947 'Win a Nash' photo, perhaps a popcorn stand? Hopefully, Richard and George will be able to put another piece into the puzzle and identify that building for us. What a 'research team they are!!!' Thanks guys!!!!These kinds of 'exchanges of memories and thoughts' are what make these message boards so special. Everyone, join the fun, and add your input.Nanc
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Post by richard on Jan 25, 2007 19:54:27 GMT -5
This note is a follow-up to the questions that has been raised about the building on the northeast corner at Fifth and Washington Street the past several days. Today, George and I made a trip to view the Columbus City Directories at the Bartholomew County Historical Society at 524 Third Street, Columbus, Indiana.
Nanc posted a picture of a ‘Win A Nash’ on that corner. Her records give 1947 as the year that raffle occurred. The 1947 Columbus City Directory agrees with her record. It does not show a building at 501 Washington Street.
The 1950 Columbus City Directory lists ‘Smith’s Jewelry Inc. at 501 Washington Street and John S. McGinnis Popcorn at 503 Washington Street.
The 1953 Columbus City Directory lists, J. Orville Kelly Popcorn at 503 Washington Street.
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Post by RER on Jan 26, 2007 12:58:07 GMT -5
Columbus Indiana Gas Company Employees 1940s (left to right) James Osman, Charlie Pyatt, unknown, Bill Mc Clure (deceased 2004) Indiana Gas Company employees Photo taken next to the old Quonset Building, Columbus, Indiana ___________________________________________________
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Post by mfaure on Jan 26, 2007 18:05:58 GMT -5
Hi all, Re picture with Nash. Somehow, my memory sees that small building behind the Nash as a Newstand. Note: Man in suit and tie. Possible purchase of paper.
Does anyone else remember the attractions on that corner. I remember one particular of a man and his wife on rollerskates on a very small platform on a pole about 30 feet in the air. If I am not mistaken, there were other attractions like that as well from time to time Margie
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2007 20:26:05 GMT -5
Margie and all, I do remember that triangle at 5th and Washington St. being like a small park back in the late 1930's, I can't recall what was in the small building located there, but as you said, it does look like a newsstand. Regarding the " high wire act ", I remember seeing that and I recall that their name was something like Jack and Betty , back then attractions like that drew many people down town. During WW2 that corner had a lot of war related attractions, I remember one time there was a two man Japanese submarine on display, there were captured German and Japanese tanks, planes and such. If I remember correctly the building for Smith Jewelers was built in 1947 or 48, the building also housed the popcorn and nut store. George
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Post by nancs on Jan 27, 2007 13:11:48 GMT -5
This note is a follow-up to the questions that has been raised about the building on the northeast corner at Fifth and Washington Street the past several days. Today, George and I made a trip to view the Columbus City Directories at the Bartholomew County Historical Society at 524 Third Street, Columbus, Indiana. Nanc posted a picture of a ‘Win A Nash’ on that corner. Her records give 1947 as the year that raffle occurred. The 1947 Columbus City Directory agrees with her record. It does not show a building at 501 Washington Street. The 1950 Columbus City Directory lists ‘Smith’s Jewelry Inc. at 501 Washington Street and John S. McGinnis Popcorn at 503 Washington Street. The 1953 Columbus City Directory lists, J. Orville Kelly Popcorn at 503 Washington Street. With the able help and a wonderful memory of Columbus history and people, a 'local, plus another' have confirmed for Richard, George, and me, that indeed----------- J. Orville Kelly, owner of the popcorn stand was the Mr. Kelly, known to many of us as a local educator, J. O. Kelly, being principal at Wilson Jr. High, as well as later, on the staff of North High School as a vice principal, and a history teacher. Within a number of email exchanges this morning, other information can be sorted through, and eventually posted on the boards. One piece of the puzzle at a time. For now this will have to suffice. Thanks to our sources, without your input, well, we could never put it altogether to make a whole!!!!! Nanc et al ;-) (Richard, please expand on my short addition.)
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Post by RER on Jan 27, 2007 14:10:38 GMT -5
Now, that is interesting that J.O. Kelly the former Vice Principal for Columbus (North) High School owned the Popcorn & Nut Shop on Washington Street. I remember him but never had him as a teacher.
There were two Kelly names in the Columbus High School teaching staff; so I had to look up an old Log to verify which one. The other was James K. Kelly a Social Studies teacher. James K. Kelly loved political cartoons and Civil War history. He said to the class one day that "it would be interesting to live until the year 2000. He said that would almost be impossible at his present age, which must have been in his 50s or so.
As far as J. O. Kelly I don't recall talking to him much. He struck me as a quiet, gentle, distinctive older gentlemen.
Anyway, that was great research and interesting to top off some history at the 5th & Washington corner.
Bob
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Post by nancs on Jan 27, 2007 14:33:47 GMT -5
Well, since I am getting nothing else done today, between emails and now a local phone call to a gentleman that lives here that is from Columbus, another whole story...................... Bob, I just have to make a couple of comments to your 'observations.' I would have described Mr. J. O. Kelly exactly as you did!!!!!!!!!!!! Until, and I was still in high school, he and his wife and two daughters, older than me, visited us in CA. What an absolute ball we had as we rode the day ship to Catalina Island. Mr. Kelly was the life of the party, and I so saw a totally different side to him. He was so much fun!!!! And I guess when I realized that teachers are 'people' and can have fun!!! On wanting to live to the year 2000, I remember Evelyn Seward, CHS Latin teacher saying that same thing. And actually, think she came close to making it. Nanc
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Post by richard on Jan 27, 2007 18:50:11 GMT -5
Below is another ad that appeared in December of 1947.
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Post by nancs on Jan 28, 2007 9:31:09 GMT -5
Referencing the list of businesses/addresses on 5th Street going east from Washington--------yesterday from yet another source.................. 419 Wille Food Shop (restaurant) The 'thinking' was that this restaurant, across from the Rio, by the alley, belonged to Bill Stott's mother, Flossie. See reply # 202 for a correction to this info. I recall a restaurant in that area, and did think it was on the alley, west of the alley toward Washington. Adding and agreeing with Margie about the couple that skated atop a pole there at 5th and Washington, when that corner was vacant-----------------I am wondering if perhaps that exhibition was a part of Pioneer Days in what, October each year? On the 'Win a Nash' photo, it looks to me like the men pictured were wearing Lion's Club hats and perhaps were responsible for selling raffle tickets. Seems to me that those hats were purple with gold lettering. Piece by piece, the puzzle goes together. Nanc
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Post by richard on Jan 28, 2007 9:47:09 GMT -5
Below is another ad that appeared in December of 1947.
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Post by RER on Jan 28, 2007 10:05:52 GMT -5
Bill Stott was a very good friend of mine and my brother during all of the 1950s. Flossie and Bill lived directly across the street from us. Flossie at the time was married to Ralph Stine. Flossie in fact had a restaurant on 4th Street in the 1950s.
The restaurant was on 4th Street across from the Palms Restaurant later to be the 4th Street Bar.
In the 1953 directory there were two restaurants across from the Palms and they being: Donald V. Davis Restaurant and Charley's Restaurant. Flossie bought Charley's during the middle 1950s and operated it to an unknown date.
Bill Stott and Flossie were great people and we enjoyed them as our neighbors. They lived at 3016 15th Street for many years. Bill Stott later married and lived down the same street. Bill is deceased as is Flossie. Bill died at a young age but not sure what age.
I have asked my brother for information on these restaurant locations and names. I will update if I get further information.
Bob
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Post by Gregg on Jan 28, 2007 13:12:42 GMT -5
When my dad owned Smith Studio, at 409 5th St. during the 1950s, the owners of Wille Food Shop were Gus and Flossie Wille, who had a son named Naverne(sp?), who was a track star, I think at IU. I think the family lived somewhere north of 25th Street. Is there any chance that there is a "Flossie" mix-up? I'm positive of the identities of the proprietors, as I ate lunch there every day during my ninth-grade year at Central, which was 1959-1960. Mom and Dad also had coffee breaks and lunch there most of the time, since it was just a couple doors down from work.
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Post by Gregg on Jan 28, 2007 13:16:23 GMT -5
I also thought it was pretty cool that the Van-Doby Trio, mentioned in the Sap's ad, contained 4 members!
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Post by nancs on Jan 28, 2007 14:02:57 GMT -5
Gosh, Gregg, sure could be some confusion on the ownership of the restaurant in question. Out with the cross directories, thanking the great Sherlock in our midst, in advance. HELP!!!!!! Nanc
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Post by nancs on Jan 28, 2007 16:04:54 GMT -5
Sherlock did the research, and as reported to me: From the 53 book; 419 Fifth Street Wille Food Shop Aug Wille (Wille Food Shop) h1607 Twenty-fifth Street. From the 57 book; 419 Fifth Street Wille Food Shop Aug Wille (Flossie; Wille Food Shop) h1607 Twenty-fifth Street. Thanks much, Gregg, for suggesting an error, and thanks 'Richard Sherlock' for the more correct info. Nanc
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Post by RER on Jan 28, 2007 18:27:22 GMT -5
Well, now the mix of opinions come out and may be be subjected to additional information later. My brother confirms what Gregg said about Willie Food Shop Restaurant. The owner may have been Gus Wille. The Wille family had at least two children named Shirley (graduated with brother at CHS) and Naverne (CHS grad year before sister Shirley). Wille was a State of Indiana Track Star at CHS in 1955. He held the mile race record during that period. He went to Indiana University after CHS.
The Flossie name is not understood because Flossie (Bill Stotts mother) was the operator of Flossie's Restaurant on 4th Street during the 1950s for several years. Now, there could have been two Flossie's or it could have been the same lady (not sure). Gregg knows more about Willie's Restaurant being he ate there a considerable amount of time.
Nanc suggested in the beginning Flossie, but maybe it was the same Flossie and maybe she just worked at Willie's and later had her own Flossie Restaurant on 4th Street. I have no idea, but my brother and I are positive Flossie (with son Bill Stott) operated the 4th street place during the 1950s. The Flossie and Bill Stott that we new lived directly across the street during our whole time we lived on 15th Street. Flossie would talk about her place to us at times and Bill worked for her at times at the restaurant.
During Christmas around 1956 I recall Flossie buying for Bill a new Ford (I think Ford) for Christmas. She tied a large bow on the top before he got out of bed that morning. It was a beautiful car and Bill was so excited.
Bob
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