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Post by RER on Dec 18, 2006 15:19:04 GMT -5
" A Test For Your Antique Knowledge On These Two 1800s Items"What the heck are these ? Item l _______ Item 2 Scroll down.......... more Scroll...........hummm Answer: Both are clothes hangers. The first one on left could have been used for different sized clothes. Item 2 is a folding hanger for storage. Note it also has a small bottom hook to hang another hanger under it on inside. Here is the folding hanger open: Item 2 Open Bob
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Post by RER on Dec 19, 2006 8:48:20 GMT -5
" Time To Guess This Very Old Unique Antique (maybe one of a kind) From Nashville Tennessee "What is it ? This time I will come back and post answer after some guessing. UPDATE: Gregg guessed it correct. It is an early American butter Churn. More info. at next post. Bob
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Post by Gregg on Dec 19, 2006 17:27:10 GMT -5
Butter churn?
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Post by RER on Dec 19, 2006 19:10:34 GMT -5
Gregg you got it right. The Churn is a hand pump type with an old drill bit affixed to the wooden rod with the butter stirring flaps at the bottom. The support looks like an early wooden fence post. This design is unique and the person could stand up or set on the porch and pump it. The bucket or bowl wasn't part of the discovered piece.
Interesting that it was found in the state of Tennessee around Nashville. The creator had a good imagination to invent this one.
Good old American early designs without a computer.
Bob
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Post by Gregg on Dec 20, 2006 0:50:10 GMT -5
Bob, I wish I could say that living in Nashville,TN gave me an edge, but I've never seen such a contraption. I do, however, own an ice cream freezer, and the "dasher" was a dead give-away. Speaking of Dashers, Merry Christmas to Columbus from the heart of Dixie!
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Post by RER on Dec 20, 2006 19:34:57 GMT -5
Great guess ! Your brother would have agreed with my opinion of the color mix on the First Christian Church. He was such a great artist as I told you several times. Bob
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Post by David Sechrest on Jan 8, 2007 21:29:21 GMT -5
Below you'll find a link to a map of Columbus in the 1879 Atlas. This is a large file, so if you have dial-up, it might take a few minutes to load! Once the image uploads, it will be sized to fit your computer screen. Click on the map, and it will open up to the full size.
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Post by RER on Jan 9, 2007 11:17:43 GMT -5
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1/6/07 at 11:16, nancs wrote:\\ ________________________________________ Quote: 1/6/07 at 9:39, RER wrote:" Behind The Beautiful Present 1st Christian Church Or On The Same Property "
During the year 1868 records indicate that a grain dealer was housed on the corner of Walnut (now 4th Street) and Mechanic (now Lafayette Street).
Now this property was either on the present church land or behind the old Ice Plant. In those days it was convenient to do all your business down brick buildings row of Washington Street and many near side streets, like 3rd, 4th and 5th Streets.
Passing note here: 3rd Street was called Tipton in those days, 4th Street was Walnut and 1st Street was Mulberry Street. I don't know what 2nd Street was called. Anyone know ? Named streets were changed to numbers in the 1880s.
Bob _______________________________________________ Nanc Wrote:
In a map I found in the Bartholomew County Columbus, Indiana Sesquicentennial 1821 - 1971 book, I found a map on page 5.
Beginning with the most southern E - W streets, it begins:
Water Mulberry Vernon Tipton Walnut Harrison
In Vol. I of History of Bartholomew County, p. 149, it lists as follows:
Mulberry = 1st St. Vernon = 2nd St. Tipton = 3rd St. Walnut = 4th St. Harrison = 5th St. Delaware = 6th St. Jefferson = 7th St. Liberty = 8th St. Irwin = 9th St. North = 10th St. Hays = 11th St. Stansifer = 12th St. High = 13th St. Hawpatch = 16th St.
Accompanying this info is a bit of how and why the changes were made. Interesting reading.
Nanc ___________________________________________________ David Wrote:
For some time now, I have wanted to post a map of Columbus from the Illustrated Historical Atlas of Bartholomew County Indiana 1879. I thought that, once, somewhere on this board, I did post it...maybe not...
Anyway, it is a very interesting map, as someone did take the time to denote certain places of businesses located in downtown Columbus.
The east-west, downtown street names changed from names to numbers sometime in 1879. I did spend some time at the library trying to figure out exactly what date, but either it wasn't mentioned, or I overlooked it. As I recall, it happened sometime between July and November, 1879.
The Historical Atlas mentioned above denotes the east-west streets as numbers.
It's a very exciting map to peruse! As I stated earlier, the names of downtown businesses were written in on the map locations. The only problem is, it appears that whoever did the map decided to add in the boundaries of the different Wards. When the lines were drawn for the Wards, they covered up part of the names of the businesses, and this makes it very difficult to read them!
Ok, so with that, here are some of the places of interest on the map:
Regarding RER's discussions of businesses located on 4th Street, the map shows
1) a China & Porcelain store on the NW corner of Washington & 4th (this would be where the bank is today)
2) a Drug Store on the NE corner of Washington & 4th. Owner is not noted.
3) the 1st National Bank on the SE corner of Washington & 4th, as well as a Drug Store. It is unknown if the Drug Store was located upstairs, or on east of the corner.
4) the Republican Office was located on the north side of 4th Street, just beyond the Drug Store. Just beyond that was an agricultural implement business.
5) Opposite the agricultural place of business was a Blacksmith shop.
6) a series of 5 railroad tracks crossed 4th Street, between Franklin and Lafayette.
7) J. C. Rowley's Lumber Yard was on the NE corner of 4th & Lafayette (Lafayette was still known as Mechanic Street)
8) a "Public Graded School" takes up (almost) the entire block between Pearl & Sycamore, between 6th & 7th Sts, other than two elongated lots on the 6th Street side.
9) Keith's Arcade Building is shown where the Crump Theatre stands today, with Keith's Law Office on the SE corner of Washington & 3rd Streets.
10) "Job Printing," Columbian Office (newspaper) appears to be located in the same building as Keith's Arcade, with another Agricultural Implement Dealer on the NW corner of 3rd & Franklin.
Other items of note are: W. T. Payne's Skating Rink at the end of 4th Street, on the west side of Mill Creek. Mill Creek was dug out and used at some time earlier, and ran from just north of the Wagon Bridge (2nd Street) and dumped back in to the river between 12 and 13th Streets.
The Telegraph Office and American Express Office are shown on the NW corner of 3rd and Franklin. This was the same location as the Bissell House, which later became the Belvedere Hotel. Maybe these were located in the same building as the Bissell.
There were a total of 3 drug stores located on the east side of Washington Street, between 3rd & 4th, as well as a book store north of the alley (east side of Washington).
There is nothing that notes the Crump home on 4th Street. It appears that the Republican offices may be at that location, as FJ Crump had moved from that house to his home on Washington Street (just north of the old Standard Grocery/Hostess outlet).
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Post by RER on Jan 9, 2007 11:20:56 GMT -5
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" Long Before The Rio Theater, Boys Club, Old Library, Irwin Bank, 1st Christian Church, Evening Republican Newpaper, and the Old City Hall and Smaller Businesses "
The present 5th Street (former name Harrison Street) has plenty of history, but not as great as the lower numbers from five. As we know business from old Jackson Street of the past to Franklin Street was sparse throughout many generations. It hasn't changed much as far as numbers of businesses today. In the 1860s before the items mentioned above, the business list on 5th Street was short. Here is all I know:
. R. M Jackson..Wagons and Carriages (Corner of Jackson & 5th Street)
. H. F. Schultz..Plow Store and Wagons (Corner of Jackson & 5th Street)
That was all the businesses I could find.
Comment: Old City Hall (corner of 5th and Franklin Streets) wasn't built until 1895. The area was undeveloped at that time it seems.
Bob
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Post by RER on Jan 9, 2007 11:24:07 GMT -5
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Continuation Of 4th Street Discussion
As we may know the present 4th Street in downtown Columbus was called Walnut before the year 1880. There were many established and documented businesses on 4th Street during the 1860s years. The following list of business activities during those years are consolidated to provide a picture of that street's services to the Columbus community:
. O'Brien & Brothers..Blacksmiths . Michael O'Brien..Blacksmith . Charles Ploetz..Blacksmith . Henry Ricter..Carpenter . Snyder & Stebbins..Carpenters . David Doll..Barrel Maker (wooden) Note: Cooper Shops were wooden barrel makers . Barrett & Hauser..Drugs & Medicines . Lucas Griffith..Dry Goods . G. E. Miller..Grain Dealer . W. T. Davis..Harness and Saddles . B. F. McCab..Livery Stables (horse hotel) . John Sims..Marble Company . Fred Ulrich..Sewing Clothing . J. T. Stevens..Painter . C. W. Mangrum..Photography . John Stouffer..Plows and Handles (farm) . Columbus Weekly Union..Newspaper
Note: If you have further information or additions please post them.
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Post by RER on Jan 9, 2007 11:31:09 GMT -5
REPOSTED FROM TRIVIA-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote:Hi Bob! Back when I was writing the John Crump article for the website, I was most curious about that 4th and Washington Street corner where Parker Drugs was once located. According to information I received from Jeff Crump, there was once a millinery on the corner of 4th and Washington. A family by the name of Williams owned it. Directly behind the Millinery was a house owned by Jerry Williams, and Francis J. Crump I home just beyond that. Those homes and places of business were demolished in 1910. That corner building, as we know it today, was built sometime between 1910 and 1913. David From David's Other Historical Site: Quote:John Crump spent the first 12 years of his life growing up on the Crump homestead, located where Mead Village is today. Sometime shortly after 1854, his family moved from the Crump Homestead into the town of Columbus, taking up residence in a house on the northeast side of 4th and Washington. Two buildings occupied this corner-area back then, one behind the other. The two story brick home, which was the Crump residence, sat on 4th Street facing the First National Bank, and another frame building on the corner of 4th and Washington was used as a millinery. After the Crump family moved from the house, it was occupied by Dr. Frederick Falk (until 1906), and thereafter, for a short time, the house was a Gentleman's Club. In 1910, these buildings were demolished to make way for a new commercial building (where Max's Jewelry is today). Note: A Millinery is a store or shop that makes women's hats. Some can be confusioned that it is a wood mill, but not in this case. The Millinery size is unknown for Columbus, but was owned by Mrs. Williams.Response:Interesting information David and I have no doubt that Jeff Crump knows his family history and locations. Jeff and I were classmates from grade school days through high school, and he is a very fine lawyer today in Columbus. I am still somewhat confused by the Millinery location in the 1860s. According to the H. C. Chandler & Co. business directory for the year 1868 Mrs. A. Williams address was on Tipton (which is now 3rd Street). This Tipton (3rd Street) address was listing the Millinery we are talking about. This 1860s business directory did not list any Crump names in it, but that doesn't mean it is correct of course. Additionally, the directory information indicates that there were two newspapers so to speak. One I mentioned as the Columbus Weekly Union and it states on the corner of Washington Street and Walnut (now 4th Street) upstairs. The other newspaper was called the Columbus Bulletin but not in this same area. So, I guess there are four corner lots on the present day Washington Street and 4th Street. One of these corners had a multiple floored building that supposedly housed that weekly newspaper. Of course this is only accurate based on the accuracy of the writer. Here are additional businesses listed in 1868 on these four corners: . N. E. Corner Washington Street & Walnut (now 4th) Drugs & Medicines owned by Barrett and Hauser . Corner of Washington Street & Walnut (now 4th) Dry Goods Store owned by Lucas Griffith. . Corner of Washington Street & Walnut (now 4th) Harness and Saddles owned by W. T. Davis. Maybe, more research of the four corners would be revealing. I didn't know that some of the corner buildings of today were built after 1910. However, the Crump house by your quote was directly across the street for the First National Bank. One of the Crump men was the Vice President of the bank. Anyway, interesting conversation but still not totally clear. Bob
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Post by RER on Jan 9, 2007 11:39:29 GMT -5
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" Upstairs Washington Street Brick Building's Offices & Tenants "
As we all know the Washington Street brick buildings downtown are very old and historical. Main stores/shops are on the street level and many shops, craft/skilled services and apartments have been used for a multitude of subjects on the second floor or upper room spaces.
In 1953 The First National Bank's address was 331 Washington Street which is on the corner of 4th Street, and Parker Drug Store was across 4th on the corner also. Above the bank at that time was various offices such as insurance etc. Above Parker Drug Store across 4th upstairs was a Watch Repair owned by Walter Hart.
One of these two buildings in the 1860s housed upstairs the Columbus weekly newspaper. The name of the newspaper was called "Columbus Weekly Union."It is not clear to me which building housed that paper, but that was determined by researching businesses and street addresses and names today. Keep in mind 4th Street was called Walnut in the middle 1800s, and later named a numerical number.
Bob _______________________________________________
Hi Bob!
Back when I was writing the John Crump article for the website, I was most curious about that 4th and Washington Street corner where Parker Drugs was once located.
According to information I received from Jeff Crump, there was once a millinery on the corner of 4th and Washington. A family by the name of Williams owned it. Directly behind the Millinery was a house owned by Jerry Williams, and Francis J. Crump I home just beyond that.
Those homes and places of business were demolished in 1910. That corner building, as we know it today, was built sometime between 1910 and 1913.
For further info, refer to the John Crump article on the website...
David
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Post by RER on Jan 9, 2007 11:45:04 GMT -5
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" Upstairs Washington Street Brick Building's Offices & Tenants "
As we all know the Washington Street brick buildings downtown are very old and historical. Main stores/shops are on the street level and many shops, craft/skilled services and apartments have been used for a multitude of subjects on the second floor or upper room spaces.
In 1953 The First National Bank's address was 331 Washington Street which is on the corner of 4th Street, and Parker Drug Store was across 4th on the corner also. Above the bank at that time was various offices such as insurance etc. Above Parker Drug Store across 4th upstairs was a Watch Repair owned by Walter Hart.
One of these two buildings in the 1860s housed upstairs the Columbus weekly newspaper. The name of the newspaper was called "Columbus Weekly Union."It is not clear to me which building housed that paper, but that was determined by researching businesses and street addresses and names today. Keep in mind 4th Street was called Walnut in the middle 1800s, and later named a numerical number.
Bob
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Post by RER on Jan 9, 2007 11:47:26 GMT -5
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" Lots Of Horses Stabled and Maintained on Columbus 4th Street In Them Days "
Not only what I presented above, but there were 3 Blacksmiths locations, 1 Saddle/Harness Store on today's 4th Street (old Walnut). Looks like they took many horses for hoofing and saddle purchases and repairs on 4th Street.
Now, if my memory serves me here from 4th and Washington Street going down toward present Lafayette and a block or two more; most houses were shown from Pearl Street to California Street. This could mean in those 1860s days many Livery Stables, Blacksmiths and leather goods shops, including a gun store consumed much of 4th Street . I would guess that from 4th & Franklin Street to say Pearl Street these businesses thrived.
I recall in the 1940s, houses were more dense from behind the Ice Plant (on 4th) going toward Pearl. You say wait.........that was a span of 70 some years. Well, I am just trying to paint a possible picture here, and thats all.
The bottom-line is there were many horse and buggies traveling around 4th Street for service and repair.
Thanks Nanc for the Street name post ! That helps piece more puzzles together !!
Bob
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Post by RER on Jan 9, 2007 11:50:56 GMT -5
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" Behind The Beautiful Present 1st Christian Church Or On The Same Property "
During the year 1868 records indicate that a grain dealer was housed on the corner of Walnut (now 4th Street) and Mechanic (now Lafayette Street).
Now this property was either on the present church land or behind the old Ice Plant. In those days it was convenient to do all your business down brick buildings row of Washington Street and many near side streets, like 3rd, 4th and 5th Streets.
Passing note here: 3rd Street was called Tipton in those days, 4th Street was Walnut and 1st Street was Mulberry Street. I don't know what 2nd Street was called. Anyone know ? Named streets were changed to numbers in the 1880s.
Bob ____________________________________________________ Nanc Said:
In a map I found in the Bartholomew County Columbus, Indiana Sesquicentennial 1821 - 1971 book, I found a map on page 5.
Beginning with the most southern E - W streets, it begins:
Water Mulberry Vernon Tipton Walnut Harrison
In Vol. I of History of Bartholomew County, p. 149, it lists as follows:
Mulberry = 1st St. Vernon = 2nd St. Tipton = 3rd St. Walnut = 4th St. Harrison = 5th St. Delaware = 6th St. Jefferson = 7th St. Liberty = 8th St. Irwin = 9th St. North = 10th St. Hays = 11th St. Stansifer = 12th St. High = 13th St. Hawpatch = 16th St.
Accompanying this info is a bit of how and why the changes were made. Interesting reading.
Nanc
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Post by RER on Jan 9, 2007 11:53:14 GMT -5
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" Behind The Beautiful Present 1st Christian Church Or On The Same Property "
During the year 1868 records indicate that a grain dealer was housed on the corner of Walnut (now 4th Street) and Mechanic (now Lafayette Street).
Now this property was either on the present church land or behind the old Ice Plant. In those days it was convenient to do all your business down brick buildings row of Washington Street and many near side streets, like 3rd, 4th and 5th Streets.
Passing note here: 3rd Street was called Tipton in those days, 4th Street was Walnut and 1st Street was Mulberry Street. I don't know what 2nd Street was called. Anyone know ? Named streets were changed to numbers in the 1880s.
Bob
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Post by RER on Jan 9, 2007 11:55:14 GMT -5
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Interesting Discovery On Medical Doctors With Offices Between Franklin Street and Mechanics (now Lafayette) Street "
We have been discussing Medical Doctors and Dentists that had offices between 5th and Franklin and Lafayette Streets. Well, I went back and researched to the year 1868 and was surprised to find that a Physician named Dr. S. M. Linton had an office between Franklin and Mechanics (Lafayette).
Seems like medical doctors had roots around or near the ole Boys Club and ole Library areas in the early days of Columbus. Of course those two building didn't get constructed until the later years.
Additionally, there was a Livery Stable for horse shoeing and care on Mechanics (Lafayette) Street. I guess we could picture a settler housing his horse and buggy and going to see old "Doc" near by.
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Post by RER on Jan 9, 2007 12:05:06 GMT -5
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" Long Before The Rio Theater, Boys Club, Old Library, Irwin Bank, 1st Christian Church, Evening Republican Newpaper, and the Old City Hall and Smaller Businesses "
The present 5th Street (former name Harrison Street) has plenty of history, but not as great as the lower numbers from five. As we know business from old Jackson Street of the past to Franklin Street was sparse throughout many generations. It hasn't changed much as far as numbers of businesses today. In the 1860s before the items mentioned above, the business list on 5th Street was short. Here is all I know:
. R. M Jackson..Wagons and Carriages (Corner of Jackson & 5th Street)
. H. F. Schultz..Plow Store and Wagons (Corner of Jackson & 5th Street)
That was all the businesses I could find.
Comment: Old City Hall (corner of 5th and Franklin Streets) wasn't built until 1895. The area was undeveloped at that time it seems.
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Post by RER on Jan 9, 2007 14:05:51 GMT -5
Reference David's Posted Map of 1879 Which Is Shown Under The 1800s Life In Columbus, Reply # 68
If you go to David's Reply #68 post and call it up and enlarge it further you will discover many new interesting points.
There were two big points of interest I found on the real estate that the present 1st Christian Church occupies today. Well lets paint this picture:
(1) The land from present 5th Street/Franklin back to 4th Street and Franklin Street to Lafayette (the present church land) had no church. As many know the present church was built in 1942.
(2) On the corner of 5th and Franklin (directly across 5th St from the Ole Boy's Club or Present Reception Center) was a building that was called a Cooper Shop. Well, a Cooper Shop in those days made wooden barrels. This building stood on the present church land on the corner facing the Present Reception Center and adjacent to the future Old City Hall .
(3) Also, next to the Cooper Shop (barrels) going toward present day Lafayette was a Engine House. To my knowledge that was a fire station. Of course it would have been a horse drawn wagon type of the past. The map clearly reflects both of these structures.
Finally, keep in mind that the old City Hall on the corner of 5th and Franklin was built later in 1895. This 1879 map is earlier by 16 years. So, to summarize this from Franklin Street to Lafayette Street there wasn't any houses or buildings from the Old Boys Club to the Library corner (Lafayette), but across the street the Irwin Gardens and house were there.
Also, the church that was behind the old Library is shown in the drawing in 1879. Now across the street between Franklin St. and Lafayette were the two buildings that I sited above. They being the Barrel Maker (Cooper) Shop and the Engine House (or Fire Department).
Interesting, terrain and landscape and sparsely scattered with buildings.
Bob
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Post by David Sechrest on Jan 9, 2007 15:59:51 GMT -5
Below you'll find a link to a map of Columbus in the 1879 Atlas. This is a large file, so if you have dial-up, it might take a few minutes to load!
Once the image uploads, it will be sized to fit your computer screen. Click on the map, and it will open up to the full size. [/size] One of the more fascinating aspects of this map is how long the railroad bridge was in those days. Most of us are familiar with this bridge, as it parallels the 3rd Street bridge (automobile).
And the Skating Rink! What in the world was this place? Ice skating?
You'll note that there are many lots on the map that are only identified by numbers. I would assume that they had yet to be sold?
Anyway, it sure does give a good indication how different the downtown looked in the late 1800's...
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