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Post by nancs on Nov 3, 2007 7:12:11 GMT -5
You "Gotta" Love This 2nd Old School Bus Picking Up CHS Students 1943It appears to be raining in colder weather on 7th Street meaning Pearl Street was at the rear of the buses [/color] Comments: Just think, most kids had no cars. The following items were not invented or available yet: Cell Phones, Televisions, Fast Food Places, Computers. They had these items: Slide Rules, Books, Home Radios, Friendships and probably better communications verbally among themselves. Perhaps they looked forward to weekends at CHS sports events, popcorn and a coke at the Rio, Mode or Crump Theaters, if they could muster up enough money. I would venture to say most had a bicycle for transportation or walked many miles to the events if they couldn't catch a vehicle ride. I suspect most kids took a brown bag to school for lunch and stored it in their lockers until break time. [/quote] Most interesting photo posting and comments, RER. It brought back a couple of 'observations' for me, and perhaps ones that need some 'confirming, as well as help' to validate my thinking. (It seems to me that somewhere else on the message boards, some of this has been discussed. Where---I have no clue, think George posted a photo of a bus token.) In 'looking back,' am wondering just when the Leppert (sp.) bus service began in town. Am pretty certain that I was probably not in school yet in the early 40s, when I first recall 'riding the bus' to downtown, in particular for my mom to do the major family grocery shopping at Kroger's there on Washington Street. Am certain that it was during the WWII years, as the brown paper bags the grocery store used were really NOT sturdy enough to remain intact for the ride back home on the bus and my grandmother crocheted two shopping bags for safer transportation of the groceries. These bags held an immense amount of canned goods and groceries, as they easily expanded, and were quite heavy to carry, thus why, my mom only had two!!!! The buses in town, as I recall ran in the evening, until at least the movies got out, and there were always huge lines of folks awaiting a bus ride home at the stops downtown. Am thinking this recollection must have its origin during the war years, when private car transportation was 'hard come by' what with rationing of gas, etc. IF your family even had a car, one 'saved' it for more major trips. We rode the Maple Grove bus to town, with the bus stop at 7th and Hutchins being a couple of blocks from our house. I have no recollection just how far that bus went to the north, but recall that it went at least as far as Garfield, as I had to ride that bus down to the Washington building, there by CHS, to take a weekly accordion lesson. It seems to me that the Orinoco bus also rounded that corner at 7th and Hutchins, but was usually full by the time it got to our bus stop. By the time I got to Wilson Junior High in the late 40s, my best friend and I walked to school from our neighborhood, altho' other kids in town rode on the Leppert buses-------------ones rounding that 7th and Hutchins corner were always full, and in the winter the windows were steamed up what with all the 'bodies of kids,' talking, I presume. Am thinking that these passengers were picked up at stops considerably to the north of 7th Street. In the late 40s into the very early 50s, and my junior high days and first year or so of high school, some of the high school boys were, indeed, driving cars to school. Does anyone else remember the 'yellow police car' that cruised the high school block? It was a very intense shade of yellow, and earned the nickname of 'Banana Cruiser,' in my memory. Any input, anyone? ? Nanc
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Post by RER on Nov 3, 2007 7:34:47 GMT -5
Hi Nanc: George said they were 5 cents or 6 for a quaterWell, my board research found these two: Also George's: You jogged my mind about bus service in Columbus; however I was very young and don't know when the city had the earliest bus service. The bus service I used to go to town from 15th Street was in the very early 1950s. It turned around near Marr Road or 17th Street, and went back down toward the hospital on various streets. My brother and I used the bus to go to movies, roller rink or to go down on the main streets to shop or just look around. Now, that you brought it up I suppose many CHS students and grade school kids rode the Leppert system. CHS students could ride I guess for downtown roller rink, movies, CHS dances, events and sports in the Pearl Street Gym etc. Cars in the early 1940s, as you said were thin in numbers. If a family was lucky to have a car, they only had one. I don't know when that Leppert token bus service started or when it ended, but I remember the 5 cent tokens that George mentioned. Who out there knows more?
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Post by RER on Nov 3, 2007 8:41:14 GMT -5
Continuation Discussion of Transportation Through The 1940s & Into The 1950s For Students and Workers Throughout ColumbusWell, Nanc and others have talked about walking, city buses and some families may have had a car or truck, if they were lucky. The gas rationing as Nanc said reserved the car usage to a minimum. Many students of all ages in elementary school and high school rode the leg powered bicycles. Additionally, many factory and business owners and workers rode bikes to and from work. There were "bike racks" at Reeves, Cummins, Schools, Golden Foundry, Morgan Packing Plant, Moody Tannery, Train Station, Hotels, Restaurants, Mom & Pops Stores, Grocery Stores, Post Office, Court House, City Hall, Columbus Hospital,Golf Course, Donner Park, Roller Rink, Churches, Library, Doctor/Dentist Offices and many other business places.
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Post by nancs on Nov 3, 2007 8:48:57 GMT -5
Thanks, Bob, for doing the 'search.' On the bus tokens------------I seem to recall my mom handing the bus driver a quarter and receiving several 'tokens' in return. So perhaps the tokens were a nickel, or maybe you received a couple extra via the purchase of tokens. As I remember there was a 'glass type enclosed box' in which one placed the fare as you entered via the bus's front door. To indicate that you wanted off at the next stop, there was a cord that ran the length of the bus that you pulled. Kids joking around, that pulled the cord more than once, certainly received icy glares from the bus driver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I surely would not recall that unless I had probably had been 'guilty of same.' ;D One exited via a side rear door, down probably two steps, in between some seats. Know one time, being fairly little, the bus driver, not seeing me, shut the door with my head squeezed in between. I screamed like crazy, causing alarm for other bus riders!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seems to me that at Wilson Jr. High, there was a teacher, Miss Leppert, and a friend of my grandmother's. For whatever reason I remember some discussion between her and my grandmother and a Leppert 'bus' family connection. Search your memory bank, what thought could you share? It is the sharing that makes these boards so very special. Nanc
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Post by nancs on Nov 3, 2007 8:56:14 GMT -5
Have to add just one more 'observation' to Bob's comments before I launch a day of clean up from the So. California winds of a couple of weeks ago. Thankfully, my area escaped the fires. During the war years, my dad rode a Cushman scooter to and from work. It had an ' enclosed storage area' in the back part where he could haul home small purchases. Surely back then, there were not the many safety precautions as evidenced today, as I was 'allowed' to ride behind my dad on the 'lid' of that storage area, and without the benefit of a helmet for safety's sake. Nanc
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Post by RER on Nov 3, 2007 9:31:28 GMT -5
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Post by RER on Nov 4, 2007 10:04:09 GMT -5
Well, Nanc prepare yourself for that scooter memory ride with your Dad. Briefly, I found this information to bring back the Columbus Indiana days of long past. Cushman Motor Scooters were built in 1936 until 1965 by the Cushman Motor Works. Cushman had been in the engine business since 1901.
Cushman Scooters and the Cushman Husky engine were used by the military during WW2, mostly at the Army post installations. Further, many World War II movies showed the old Cushman's in European combat theaters.
As Nanc said scooters were used somewhat during the earlier days for transportation to and from work as well as shopping. During the war when gas rationing was the norm, the scooter provided relief from the costly cars and muscle energy of the peddles on the bicycles.
To bring back more memories of very old Cushman Scooters that were used in Columbus in the 1940s and 50s go here: www.dennis-carpenter.com/stepthru.phpComment: I provide this web site for memories of scooters only. I am not promoting the sales of such. Just to jog memories of the days past.
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Post by nancs on Nov 5, 2007 9:11:10 GMT -5
Well, Nanc prepare yourself for that scooter memory ride with your Dad. Briefly, I found this information to bring back the Columbus Indiana days of long past. Cushman Motor Scooters were built in 1936 until 1965 by the Cushman Motor Works. Cushman had been in the engine business since 1901.
Cushman Scooters and the Cushman Husky engine were used by the military during WW2, mostly at the Army post installations. Further, many World War II movies showed the old Cushman's in European combat theaters.
As Nanc said scooters were used somewhat during the earlier days for transportation to and from work as well as shopping. During the war when gas rationing was the norm, the scooter provided relief from the costly cars and muscle energy of the peddles on the bicycles.
To bring back more memories of very old Cushman Scooters that were used in Columbus in the 1940s and 50s go here: www.dennis-carpenter.com/stepthru.phpComment: I provide this web site for memories of scooters only. I am not promoting the sales of such. Just to jog memories of the days past. Awesome research, Bob, thanks. I am just nearly certain that I posted, some long, long time ago, a very 'blurry' photo of the Cushman my dad had. Sure can't find it. IF I was big into betting, I would say that when Richard reads this-----within not too long a span of time, he will be able to come up that photo!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, in looking at the models in the link----------so many had a very 'sloping lid/seat' on the back------------yes, I did hang on for 'dear life,' but think where I sat was not at quite such a great angle. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. AND looking at those 'today prices' for these scooters of the past, bet my dad wished he had 'saved more room in the horse trailer for that trek to CA, and brought the scooter,' do ya' think? ? ;D Costly little boogers they are today!!!!!!!!!!!! And most not really restored!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for sharing. Nanc
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Post by RER on Dec 5, 2007 10:44:53 GMT -5
St. Denis Hotel & Irwin Union Bank and Trust at Corner. Prior To the Building Demolition and Reconstruction Movement of Irwin Union Bank to the Opposite Corner of 5th Street (picture late 1930s or early 1940s)The first building was torn down before the middle 1950s to make room for the movement of Irwin Union Bank and Trust into a new mostly glassed bank building, during those years.Questions:(1) What were the names of the stores on the corner of 5th at Washington across 5th going North West?
(2) I have no clue I wasn't around then, so Charlie may know?
(3) Can anyone date these cars that are parked? (some where made in the 1940s)
(4) OK Nanc, Richard, Charlie, Babs, Ricky or anyone. What was in that building?Special Note: You can see the interurban rails still in the center of the Washington street surface. Also, within the corner of the hotel building it looks like a salon named "Hopshead Salon or Florshiem Shoes." I could be wrong on this one. It is hard to read even enlarged. Source: Enlarged partial picture of one of David's located in the other Columbus Historical Site.
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Post by RER on Dec 5, 2007 11:25:44 GMT -5
The Gause Cafe (Restaurant) and Jack W O'Bryan Jewelry at 423 & 425 Washington Street (around year 1941)Source: Enlargement partial of one of David's pictures in the Columbus Historical web site.
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Post by Ricky_Berkey on Dec 5, 2007 13:03:45 GMT -5
St. Denis Hotel & Irwin Union Bank and Trust at Corner. Prior To the Building Demolition and Reconstruction Movement of Irwin Union Bank to the Opposite Corner of 5th Street (picture late 1930s or early 1940s)The first building was torn down before the middle 1950s to make room for the movement of Irwin Union Bank and Trust into a new mostly glassed bank building, during those years.Questions:(1) What were the names of the stores on the corner of 5th at Washington across 5th going North West?
Special Note: You can see the interurban rails still in the center of the Washington street surface. Also, within the corner of the hotel building it looks like a salon named "Hopshead Salon or Florshiem Shoes." I could be wrong on this one. It is hard to read even enlarged.
Source: Enlarged partial picture of one of David's located in the other Columbus Historical Site. The sign says Florsheim Shoes - there was a mens wear store in that location (The Lindsay Co) from at least 1941 up untill about 1965) at 430 Washington in the St Denis Building. The building torn down for the new bank was Hooks drugs (on the corner) right up to the demolition at 502 Washington. I think in the same building at 512 Washington was the Yellow Front Shoe Shop. (shoe repair/shoe shine parlor?). That was right by the alley where the train used to go thru. In that same building along 5th Street was the May Laundry at 330 5th and Western Union at 332 5th.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2007 15:19:30 GMT -5
Ricky......next to Hooks Drugs there was also a liquor store plus the shoe repair store going north, before the train tracks. The Lindsay store also sold Florsheim shoes, plus I believe the only store in town that sold Boys and girls scout uniforms. I believe that you are correct on the 5th. St. business.
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Post by RER on Nov 16, 2008 17:10:20 GMT -5
12 States Called Them Mango (many still do)Mango or Bell Pepper PleaseInteresting Columbus Indiana Explanation After ResearchAfter all these many, many years I finally found the confirmation of why people in Columbus Indiana and many other locations called the Bell Peppers using the word "Mango." I have been laughed at many years ago traveling in all 50 states referring to the bell shaped pepper as a Mango. When I moved to the East Coast and Southern States people would say (including my wife): "What did you say?" Well, from an early age in my 20s I had to change my approach to this great tasting bell shaped monster. So, I have now been conformed for over 40 years in my language on the subject. I go to the store and the sign says Bell Peppers where I live. I go to a store in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan and a few others and it could say, Mango even today. The Why of History:When I was a very young kid growing up in Columbus on Union Street near Cummins, it was called a Mango. Even, Bob Lane on this board talked about this subject in 2007 under the Trivia post area. Well, being Bob, Margo and a few others lived on 5th Street at the time, I thought years later maybe that was a local thing, but that wasn't true. Then in the middle 1960s I married a wonderful lady of South Carolina. When she was introduced to my family, she eventually learned that the stores called them Mango and not Bell Peppers. Well, she laughed and kept asking why do you people call them Mangos and not Bell Peppers? Today, I have the answer some 60 years later. So, I went to research the goggle at high speed and came up with all kinds of support to my word "Mango." I ended up on wikipedia pages and here it is: QUOTE: "In many Midwestern regions of the United States the Sweet Bell Pepper was commonly called a mango With the modern advent of fresh tropical fruit importers exposing a wider latitude of individuals to the tropical fruit variety of the mango, this usage has become archaic. However some menus still call a stuffed bell pepper a mango." END QUOTE Now, the word archaic above means "used at an earlier time." So knowing this new twist to the bell shaped veggie I now can call it Mango or Bell Pepper and laugh back. I suspect that my great grandparents around Bartholomew County called it a Mango in the late 1800s also. I wonder if Columbus Indiana stores today or even other places still places the sign in the veggie area labeled Mango? Oh, well I can now eat stuffed Mango's or just plain old Mangos and say, no matter what we call them they are great. Midwestern States That Called It "Mango" Mango Country In RedSource of some information: Go here and scroll down to heading titled Synonyms and common names. Then below read the full summary. Go: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CapsicumUPDATE ON THIS POST:A relative that lives out West in his middle 80s said this today: Last month on our travels we went to a huge Kroger store in Cincinnati. The red and green bell peppers were labed as mangoes/bell peppers, but the exotic yellow and blue ones were just plain bell peppers. After enough looking in an open cooler I found two wonderful products made by the Jaxon Company of Dayton, Ohio: their excellent mango relish and cornmeal mush. I bought a jar of the relish to have with our buffet breakfasts at our hotels. I know my wife will be making stuffed mangos this week; however, as a good Californian, she refuses to use that phrase. Does anyone remember mango pickles and mango sauer- kraut? We made them out at my mother's home place and you could buy them from crocks in our butcher shop. Mango pickles were hollowed out mangos stuffed with ground cabbage in a sweet pickle brine. Mangoes stuffed with sauerkraut were placed in sauerkraut brine.
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Post by katie on Nov 17, 2008 5:52:28 GMT -5
My Mother also made the kraut version of stuffed mangos. She still refers the green bell peppers as mangos and my husband who is from KY. laughs at her.Katie
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Post by RER on Nov 17, 2008 7:27:54 GMT -5
Hi Katie:
Well, don't be concerned about that because Kentucky wasn't considered in the Midwestern State map of Mango word country. Another, story came from board writer Jack Hinkle yesterday to me in email. Jack said when he was living in Carson City Nevada they also laughed at him by calling them Mangos. Jack said he always learned the red ones were Bell Peppers and the green ones Mango. Nevada is also not considered in the Midwestern States.
So, call them what you want and enjoy. The red ones have a more sweet taste than the yellows and greens to me.
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Post by guest on Nov 17, 2008 7:47:57 GMT -5
mango is a mango bell pepper is a bell pepper no matter how you look at its the same in my mind. pa. say bell pepper also. stuff them with what ever you like. they are good. I like them better just sliced with salt.as one of my snacker food
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Post by Babs on Nov 17, 2008 11:08:12 GMT -5
My folks always called them mangos too! I don't think I ever heard them referred to as green peppers till I left Columbus. Bob asked if any of the stores still put up signs for them as mangos and I don't believe they do. I just recently bought two huge ones at a grocery store and as far as I can remember I think all the stores we trade at call them green peppers. This is not to say that some small Mom and Pop store might not use the mango name. I never knew there was a fruit called a mango till we lived either in Wyoming or Nevada. I just thought a bell pepper was a mango! Live and learn!
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Post by guest on Nov 17, 2008 12:34:34 GMT -5
we all need to look the difference in the dictionary for what they really are. what ever we call them we know what they are to us. hagd
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Post by unknown on Nov 17, 2008 22:07:07 GMT -5
I always thought peppers were mangos too until I moved to Florida. A fruit similar to a peach are called mangos in Ft Lauderdale where I lived initially.
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Post by guest on Nov 18, 2008 6:15:42 GMT -5
to unknown yes a mango is a lot different than a bellpepper. a mango is a fruity . can't you see stuffing a mango with cabbage or sauerkraut.yuk.bell peppers are green- a mango when ripe is a different color and the shapes are different.
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