1800-1899 Life In Columbus/Bartholomew County

[RER]

David:

Now, that is good analysis work on both those pictures. If I understand (which I am sure I do) the ladies were congregated on the North side of 3rd Street (formerly Tipton Street), between Washington and Jackson Street. Directly, across the street from the ladies (not shown) would have been the Bartholomew County Courthouse under construction.

I didn't think of the shapes of the signs in the long 3rd Street picture like you have discovered. Now, that further confirms the dates of these pictures and location. Great Job!!

Now we know:

(a) The Schwartzkopf Saloon was between Washington and Jackson Streets.

(b) That the clothing store sign in the long 3rd Street picture was down the side walk, after the ladies, and the end street would have been Washington Street. Washington Street would have maybe been about where the very large letter E is painted on the building past the ladies. The clothing store corner was Franklin Ice Cream during the1940s and 1950s.

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David, you and Bob are correct, that picture sure threw me, the depth, angle it was taken or some thing, and the columns on the front of the buildings, very much like the columns on the front of the St. Denis Hotel at the time. The clothing store being the north-west corner of 3rd and Washington and the building with letter E being the north-east corner of 3rd and Washington St?.

[David Sechrest]

George, that picture sure threw me too! The depth played tricks with me. Yes, the building with the "E" would be where Irwin's Bank was/would be/whatever. It would be the ne corner of 3rd and Washington.
And Bob, yes, the ladies are standing on the north side of 3rd Street, across from the courthouse. What tavern was in close proximity back in the 60's? Was it the Wagon Wheel? I think it was another closer to the Washington St. corner (Lou La Bill's?). I can't remember. I have a picture of it somewhere. I'll have to dig it out.

I wonder if it would be at all possible to order this picture from the Library of Congress...Bob, would you know?

I'm still overwhelmed by the front of the Crump building having those 3 arches before the Theatre! What a beautiful building design. I always figured it was designed specifically for something like an Opera House or Theatre, and it surprises me so much that it wasn't built for that.

I'll have to go back to the library and see if there's any info on the contractor that built Crump's Theatre.

And Rhonda--do any of your records show the arched building being a Sparrell building?

It's so funny how answering one question can open up a whole new bunch of questions to find the answers to!

[David Sechrest]

Bob said: "(b) That the clothing store sign in the long 3rd Street picture was down the side walk, after the ladies, and the end street would have been Washington Street. Washington Street would have maybe been about where the very large letter E is painted on the building past the ladies. The clothing store corner was Franklin Ice Cream during the1940s and 1950s. "

Bob, the building that says clothing on the side in the long Schwartzkopf shot would have been on the nw corner of 3rd and Washington. I think the ladies are standing further west of that building. Look at where they're standing in relation to the EUREKA sign. It's so hard to get any depth or distance with this picture!, but I think they are standing maybe halfway between Washington St., and the north/south alley that ran between Washington and Jackson. But then again, they could be closer to the alley entrance. It's just too hard to say.

It's just so hard to get much perspective here!

[David Sechrest]

Scratch that question to Rhonda. Since Charles Sparrell didn't come to Columbus until circa 1881, the "Crump" building design would have been built by another.

Who?

[David Sechrest]

This (most likely) will shed very little light on the topic we've been discussing, but the 1886 Sanborn Map (the earliest provided by our local library) shows the following businesses along 3rd St. (drawing is of 3rd street from Washington and west to the north/south alley dividing the block:




1) the building on the corner says "Not Completed. To be offices above." I'm not sure if the "clothing" building in the Schwartzkopf pic was demolished or renovated, but apparently, something new was happening on this corner.

2) Two groceries next to each other

3) two saloons next to each other

EUREKA was a grocery/bakery. That much can be established by enlarging the picture and the sign is then easily read. By all indications in the picture with the ladies dressed in black, the ladies were most likely standing in front of the saloons, which just might tie in with something Bob said earlier about them protesting these places that sold spirits.

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David, the Lady's were at the location that I believe the Wagon wheel, Farmer's Home and Lou La Bill's were at in the 40', 50's and 60's. I think that Lou La Bill's became the A&M In the 60's, there was a major fire at the A&M In the 60's which I was on.
Richard, get out your 53 city directory on this one.

[David Sechrest]

Sorry, one last look at the ladies picture:



The sign at the top left: you can make out an "N" as the last letter (Saloon?)

Also, the octagonal shaped sign on east of this one (hanging behind the ladies or right above them...it's hard to tell) doesn't appear to have any printing on it as of yet.

The ladies are:

a) protesting the opening of yet another Saloon in Columbus

b) waiting in line for tickets for the popular heart throb of the day

c) waiting in line to fill out an application for a job

d) just shooting the bull

[RER]

Here is a copy of the stereoscopy image of the ladies on 3rd Street. You will notice there are more letters on the Saloon sign. Probably, behind the cardboard frame are more of the sign letters. This is from the New York Public Library.



Comment: If you had an antique stereoscopy image viewer and printed this picture after cutting it out, you might then be viewing the picture in 3-D.

Antique Stereoscope Viewer

David Said:

I wonder if it would be at all possible to order this picture from the Library of Congress...Bob, would you know?

David the picture is located at the NY Public Library. I will try to see what I can do with the Library of Congress, but don't hold your breath on that one. I suspect that the Library of Congress does not have these images available.

[RER]

Reference David’s Sanborn Map of 3rd Street (Formerly Tipton Street name):

Note: David's Sanborn Map is dated 1886 and my comments below are dated earlier in 1868 (or twenty years before the map shown).



Here are the business names listed during 1868 on Tipton Street near the Bartholomew County Courthouse

Saloons (red circles)

-Schwartzkopf F. (Located on Tipton)

-Maynard & Lowe (Located on Tipton)

-Adolph Hofman (Located on Tipton)

Dry Goods (yellow circle)

-H. Griffin (Located on corner of Tipton & Washington Streets)

-B. F. Little (Located on corner of Tipton & Washington Streets)

-W. Samuels (Located on corner of Tipton & Washington Streets)

Groceries & Provisions (blue circle)

-Arnold & Fawcett (Located on Tipton)

-Greaves Newton (Located on Tipton)

[Jason Hatton]

Okay are you ready for another curve ball regarding this picture.

An article dated Feb. 2, 1895 from the Columbus Republican:

Charles F. Sparrel
Mr. Sparrel is a native of Boston, Mass., where he attended the Institute of Technology. He came to Columbus, Ind., fourteen years ago. He is a member of the Odd Fellows and Red Men. As an architect he ranks very high. A reference to a few notable examples of his skill as an architect and superintendent may not be amiss: The three homes built for Frank T. Crump on North Washington St., highly artistic, beautiful in conception and ornate and modern in finish; the residence of William Ruddick, grand and imposing; school buildings; Crump's Theater and a great number of others, besides a multitude he has remodeled, rejuvenated, made new and modern. Like all artists, Mr. Sparrel is modest, retiring, and unassuming. Columbus may well be proud of him. Not a few cities would be glad to have such a thorough, painstaking, consciencetious architect numbered among them.

From The Evening Republican Oct. 11, 1888
Architect Charles Sparrel is photographing all the buildings in the city for which he furnished plans that have been constructed. He succeeded yesterday in getting a good portrait of the new Lucas block on Washington St.

From The Republic Sept. 25, 1988
...Researchers believe Sparrell came to Columbus from Boston in 1880. Records indicate he received his training from an institute of technology in Massachusetts, although not MIT.
Sparrell was a shop foreman at the Hege anc Co. Lumber firm in 1882, historians believe, and lived at the St. Denis Hotel which was later destroyed by fire.
There is no mention of him as an architect until 1890, although some building built before then have been confirmed as Sparrell buildings.
An 1890 city directory contained a listing for Sparrell who, for the first time researchers say, advertised his penchant for architecture, "school, church, opera house plans a specialty."

The last article mentions a Larry Hoffman who was president of the Preserve to Enjoy organization. He is described as a "Sparrell hunter by hobby and profession." Anybody know Mr. Hoffman? He might be able to shed some light on this conversation.

Also, I would be very interested to know what happened to Mr. Sparrell photographs. Unfortunately, they are probably long gone.

Jason

[RER]

Jason:

That was just "plain ole great" research on your part !

Now, as you know we are talking about the year date of the Crump Theater with the ladies standing out front of a liquor store. The date of the picture could be the problem and if that is the case then it could relate to the dates you researched in your post. He arrived in Columbus the first article said around 1881.

The other two pictures of the 3rd Street view going West to the Tipton Mound, and the Bartholomew County Courthouse must have been taken between 1870 to 1875 time frame; because that is when it was constructed, so history says.

Now, going back to the ladies and our guesses about the Crump Theater, it is very interesting what you have presented here. Maybe, that picture was made in the early 1880s, in lieu of the 1870s.

Jason Said:

Okay are you ready for another curve ball regarding this picture.

An article dated Feb. 2, 1895 from the Columbus Republican:

Charles F. Sparrel
Mr. Sparrel is a native of Boston, Mass., where he attended the Institute of Technology. He came to Columbus, Ind., fourteen years ago. He is a member of the Odd Fellows and Red Men. As an architect he ranks very high. A reference to a few notable examples of his skill as an architect and superintendent may not be amiss: The three homes built for Frank T. Crump on North Washington St., highly artistic, beautiful in conception and ornate and modern in finish; the residence of William Ruddick, grand and imposing; school buildings; Crump's Theater and a great number of others, besides a multitude he has remodeled, rejuvenated, made new and modern. Like all artists, Mr. Sparrel is modest, retiring, and unassuming. Columbus may well be proud of him. Not a few cities would be glad to have such a thorough, painstaking, consciencetious architect numbered among them.

From The Evening Republican Oct. 11, 1888
Architect Charles Sparrel is photographing all the buildings in the city for which he furnished plans that have been constructed. He succeeded yesterday in getting a good portrait of the new Lucas block on Washington St.

From The Republic Sept. 25, 1988
...Researchers believe Sparrell came to Columbus from Boston in 1880. Records indicate he received his training from an institute of technology in Massachusetts, although not MIT.
Sparrell was a shop foreman at the Hege anc Co. Lumber firm in 1882, historians believe, and lived at the St. Denis Hotel which was later destroyed by fire.
There is no mention of him as an architect until 1890, although some building built before then have been confirmed as Sparrell buildings.
An 1890 city directory contained a listing for Sparrell who, for the first time researchers say, advertised his penchant for architecture, "school, church, opera house plans a specialty."

The last article mentions a Larry Hoffman who was president of the Preserve to Enjoy organization. He is described as a "Sparrell hunter by hobby and profession." Anybody know Mr. Hoffman? He might be able to shed some light on this conversation.

Also, I would be very interested to know what happened to Mr. Sparrell photographs. Unfortunately, they are probably long gone.

Jason

[Jason Hatton]

From the 1888 History of Bartholomew County:

Section- Struggle with a demon pg. 202- 203
Discussion on tempearance movements

... Ther also were organizations to help prosecute liquor law violators, one called the "Bartholomew County Carson League," and in 1874, the Crusaders, an organization of women, appearted to reclaim those addicted and to induce saloon keepers and others to abandon their spirits businesses. The women held public prayer in or near the saloons with singing and short addresses and drew much attention. Some saloons closed and the pledge was taken by several thousand Bartholomew county residents.

Could these ladies by the Crusaders?

[RER]

Attention At Tomorrow's Columbus Republic Newspaper
Edition Will Be September 5, 2009

Harry McCawley of the Republic sent me an email and said the pictures and history of 3rd Street and some Hope pictures will be posted on the front page of the paper Saturday.

This is a plus for David Sechrest's Columbus Historical Message Board.

Thanks to Harry McCawley for reading my email and giving tribute to our boards. Enjoy tomorrow's front page, and whatever they write and post. There will be a website call up with music to review many pictures I discovered at the New York Public Library this past week.

Finally, keep in mind the pictures are on cardboard of the past in stereoscopy (double images) for the old 3-D effect.

Bob

[Ricky_Berkey]

Well, Harry didn't mention the message boards at all but I'm always glad to see the newspaper feature anything about Columbus history. What i thought was most fascinating was how so many people on this message board jumped in to start pulling out the details in those historical viewmaster type pictures. I'm betting someone in town has those original pictures and a viewer in their collections as those pictures probably never would have been sold outside the area. You can actually easily find the 3-D viewers (or reproductions). I'll bet the details look a lot crisper when viewed in the proper way.

Thanks Bob for once again re-discovering something from our historical past that was just lying there waiting for us!

Sept 4, 2009 21:45:38 GMT -5 RER said:

Attention At Tomorrow's Columbus Republic Newspaper
Edition Will Be September 5, 2009

Harry McCawley of the Republic sent me an email and said the pictures and history of 3rd Street and some Hope pictures will be posted on the front page of the paper Saturday.

This is a plus for David Sechrest's Columbus Historical Message Board.

Thanks to Harry McCawley for reading my email and giving tribute to our boards. Enjoy tomorrow's front page, and whatever they write and post. There will be a website call up with music to review many pictures I discovered at the New York Public Library this past week.

Finally, keep in mind the pictures are on cardboard of the past in stereoscopy (double images) for the old 3-D effect.

Bob

[Ricky_Berkey]

Jason,

It is so great to see you contributing information on here! For those of you who don't know Jason, he is on the staff at the county library.

Sept 4, 2009 14:42:52 GMT -5 Jason Hatton said:

From the 1888 History of Bartholomew County:

Section- Struggle with a demon pg. 202- 203
Discussion on tempearance movements

... Ther also were organizations to help prosecute liquor law violators, one called the "Bartholomew County Carson League," and in 1874, the Crusaders, an organization of women, appearted to reclaim those addicted and to induce saloon keepers and others to abandon their spirits businesses. The women held public prayer in or near the saloons with singing and short addresses and drew much attention. Some saloons closed and the pledge was taken by several thousand Bartholomew county residents.

Could these ladies by the Crusaders?

[RER]

Ricky and all members and guests. I am a little disappointed that the Republic Newspaper article didn't mention the Columbus Historical Message Boards and David Sechrest.

When I wrote Harry this past week I talked about the message boards and what David had established, trying to get a little recognition, however that didn't transpire.

I guess there is the article and several pictures inside the paper's addition this morning. Anyway I made an effort.

Bob

Ricky Said (& Bob):

Well, Harry didn't mention the message boards at all but I'm always glad to see the newspaper feature anything about Columbus history. What i thought was most fascinating was how so many people on this message board jumped in to start pulling out the details in those historical viewmaster type pictures. I'm betting someone in town has those original pictures and a viewer in their collections as those pictures probably never would have been sold outside the area. You can actually easily find the 3-D viewers (or reproductions). I'll bet the details look a lot crisper when viewed in the proper way.

Thanks Bob for once again re-discovering something from our historical past that was just lying there waiting for us!

________________________________

Bob Said:Yesterday at 21:45, RER wrote:Attention At Tomorrow's Columbus Republic Newspaper
Edition Will Be September 5, 2009

Harry McCawley of the Republic sent me an email and said the pictures and history of 3rd Street and some Hope pictures will be posted on the front page of the paper Saturday.

This is a plus for David Sechrest's Columbus Historical Message Board.

Thanks to Harry McCawley for reading my email and giving tribute to our boards. Enjoy tomorrow's front page, and whatever they write and post. There will be a website call up with music to review many pictures I discovered at the New York Public Library this past week.

Finally, keep in mind the pictures are on cardboard of the past in stereoscopy (double images) for the old 3-D effect.

[Margo CHS Class of 55]

Bob,
I was a little disappointed to, as I was hoping we could pick up some new members for our web site.Can't believe Harry did not mention it, as he is definitely aware of our site, and Dave.

However, the pictures came out a lot clearer than I thought they would. It's great to know that " Our Town" is a part of that huge library!!

Thanks for all your hard work, and perservance. I know the members of this web site look forward to your posts.

[RER]

Jason Said:

From the 1888 History of Bartholomew County:

Section- Struggle with a demon pg. 202- 203
Discussion on temperance movements

... There also were organizations to help prosecute liquor law violators, one called the "Bartholomew County Carson League," and in 1874, the Crusaders, an organization of women, appeared to reclaim those addicted and to induce saloon keepers and others to abandon their spirits businesses. The women held public prayer in or near the saloons with singing and short addresses and drew much attention. Some saloons closed and the pledge was taken by several thousand Bartholomew county residents.

Could these ladies by the Crusaders?

Jason this sounds more reasonable than my guess I mentioned, about the church group. With that said, I think families were more religious back in those days in larger numbers. I think you are right. Further, the Columbus population was smaller, plus the Hope Indiana group would have had a long wagon ride.

The lady crusaders you mentioned I suspect is correct.

Once again Jason that was just outstanding research and findings.

[RER]

48 Stereoscopic Images of Hope, Indiana
Years 1870s and 1880s

Year 1875

Comment: Hope is part of Bartholomew County and has it's own history. Below is a website page if called up will reveal 48 unbelievable historical pictures. Many of the scenes have never been viewed before in modern times. They add a wonderful touch for the county and the residents of Hope Indiana. I hope you enjoy them as much as I did when I discovered them in the New York Public Library in late August this year.

Attention...you must type in the whole address to call it up:

commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:NYPL_Stereoscopic_views_of_Hope,_Indiana

I could not post the website quick call-up; so if you transfer or post the above address it should call up the single page of the 48 pictures of Hope.

Final Comment: Out of 17,000 images I could only find 5 of Columbus Indiana and 48 of Hope Indiana. The reason is because the person that organized the photos was from Hope Indiana. The pictures were taken by Julius T. Schaub, who operated a photography business and jewelry store in Hope shortly after he arrived from North Carolina following the Civil War. He died in 1934 at the age of 92.

____________________________

Booklet or Book

Martin Hauser and the Moravian Economy at Hope, Indiana, 1829-1836
By: Charles Thomas Biggs



Availabilty of Booklet: Bartholomew County Library in Columbus indicates one copy available. The Hope Branch Library shows none available. One copy was found for sale at Amazon.com book sales.