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Post by David Sechrest on Jun 29, 2005 13:23:25 GMT -5
I've had an inquiry as to this grocery that once was a part of our downtown area.
Fred Fouts, Sr. once owned the A&P. I'm not sure of the time frame when he owned it.
The A & P is not listed in my copy of the 1962 Columbus Indiana phone book, so I'm not sure when it first opened its doors in the downtown area. The old Standard Grocery, which was located a little further north, isn't listed either.
If anyone knows where some pictures of this grocery may be, please let me know.
And, it goes without saying, if you have any memories of the A&P, I sure would like to read them!
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Post by nancs on Jun 29, 2005 17:49:08 GMT -5
Okay, David----and remember I haven't lived in Columbus for over 50 years!!! ;D Help! Was A & P on the west side of Washington down toward the post office on 7th? Am thinking it would then have been between 6th and 7th. And a yellow brick building, perhaps? Seems to me that from the A & P, after a purchase of a gallon of cider there, I walked with friends, to the west to go to high school football games. Would that make sense to anyone of my era----say 1951ish? Was there a football field in that general direction??? Know that was when I learned how to sling a gallon jug of cider up over my shoulder and into the crook of my elbow, and turning one's head a bit to the side, could have a sip of cider, sharing the jug with others, of course. Hmmmm! As to the Standard grocery store farther north----would that have been new----sometime around 1947. Judging that date by the car we had at the time----a 47 Chevy. The only thing I can recall about that store was their grand opening. They gave out little miniature loaves of Wonder Bread. The packaging was darling, and the contents, yummy. ;D I just love these boards, and trips down Memory Lane that one can take. Nanc
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Post by JamesK on Jun 29, 2005 21:01:57 GMT -5
HI TO ALL...DAVE, GLAD TO SEE YOU ARE BACK. NANC, THE A & P WAS ON THE WEST SIDE OF WASHINGTON ST BETWEEN 6th & 7th STREETS. HOWEVER, THE STANDARD STORE WAS SOUTH OF THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 6th STREET. I'M THINKING THAT THERE WAS A GROCERY STORE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 6th STREET ABOUT THE SAME TIME. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN KROGER. I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE KROGER STORE ON 3rd STREET BETWEEN WASHINGTON AND JACKSON STREETS, AND WHAT WAS REFERRED TO AS THE BIG KROGER ON WASHINGTON STREET ON 6th. DOES ANYONE ELSE REMEMBER THAT? YES NANC THE FOOTBALL FIELD WAS WEST OF THE A & P. THE GAMES WERE PLAYED AT THE EIGHT STREET BALL PARK. IT WAS USED FOR FOOTBALL AND BASEBALL.
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Post by Gregg on Jun 29, 2005 21:06:34 GMT -5
Nanc, In the 1950s, our family bought all our groceries from A & P and Standard, both on the west side of Washington Street, and I have fond memories of going to both places. What I'm having difficulty sorting out is which of the stores had the life-sized, animated head of Elsie the Cow on the back wall. As I recall, "Elsie's" head swung from side-to-side. It was pretty impressive to a 4-year old.......not unlike the little doll that rapped on the showcase window with his wand at Smith's Jewelry Store. I hope you, or someone else, can clear up the "Elsie Mystery" for me.
Gregg Galbraith
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2005 22:26:32 GMT -5
Hi David, Welcome back , it is good to be back home I was in the hospital afew days myself this past week. Regarding the A&P I remember going there during the 2nd. world war, it could well be the first self serve or super market in Columbus. Fred Foust Jr. and I were friends for many years, sorry to say he passed on not to long ago, or I could have got the history of the store. The Standard store was built right after the war on the site of the old Lincoln home at 9th. and Washington street
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Post by nancs on Jun 30, 2005 9:08:39 GMT -5
Hi, and welcome back David and George, and I pray that all health issues are under control. Know that you have both been in my thoughts and prayers. Thanks to all for confirming some of my memories. And JK, that one "big" Kroger's is the only one that I can recall. And Gregg, I don't remember the inside of the Standard store at all. While on grocery stores-----am thinking there was one out toward 25th St., perhaps called "Ricketts." Seems to me that it was the only one open (probably late, late 40s into early 50s) on a Sunday. My mom only had access to a car on Sundays, so often on a Sunday afternoon, after church, or horseback riding, Mom and I would go there to do her shopping. Love all the input!! That is what makes these message boards so very special. Nanc
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Post by Babs on Jun 30, 2005 9:31:47 GMT -5
Nanc, Ricketts was on Cottage just off 25th Street as I recall. We lived on 20th Street between Central and Cottage and we also made frequent "runs" to Ricketts. I remember buying the shoestring french fries from there when I was a kid. Know nothing about the late hours you mentioned.
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Post by Babs on Jun 30, 2005 10:23:41 GMT -5
Krogers was located at 6th and Washington Street, on the East side. My dad went to work there in 1939 and his starting salary for part-time was 20 cents an hour. He said his first job was sorting potatoes and throwing out the rotten ones. (Doesn't sound too appealing does it? I guess if you have a family to feed and no teaching job on the horizon, you take what you can get!) Potatoes came in huge bags and I gather you dumped them out and then sorted out the bad ones. Within two weeks, he was hired full time and his weekly salary was supposed to be $13.00. When he got his pay enevelope he had $15.00 so he guessed they were happy with his duties and had given him a raise. He worked in Krogers during the years of`1939 and 1940. Once he got a teaching contract, he continued to work evenings and weekend at the store.
A&P was right across the street from Krogers. When the new A&P opened the manager called my dad during that summer of 1941 and offered him a job in Produce and at that time his pay was $25.00 a week.
Regarding Standard Grocery, in 1958 when we rented from Dr. Marvin Davis, the store was right across the street from where his office was located on Washington Street.. Standard would've been in the same location where the recent Wonder Bread Outlet was (NW corner of Washington and 12th Streets).
Hope this answers some questions. Babs
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Post by David Sechrest on Jul 1, 2005 2:26:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome back, and George, I do hope that everything is ok with you!
Somewhere in these message board folders is a couple of pictures of the downtown Kroger store.
I remember the A & P as being where the parking lot is today? Here, I'm speaking of the newer store. I didn't realize there was another earlier on.
It would be neat to get pictures of both stores. Maybe some time.
Even to this day, when I go through the checkout line at the store, I'm still amazed by the upc code readers that tallies up the total. I remember carrying my little stamp gun in my apron belt and stamping the price on the top of cans when I worked at the Standard store downtown. And of course, the cashiers had to punch in all the prices by hand and there were no questions like "paper or plastic?" It was strictly paper bags. And also, the sack boys normally pushed the cart full of groceries out to the person's car, and unloaded them into the trunk or backseat.
Grocery stores were much smaller back when we grew up as compared to todays stores, but I never heard too many complaints that they didn't have what people wanted. They seemed to get along just fine with the room they had.
At the old Marsh store out on State Street, they used to line the tops of the produce isle with toys. I spent many a Friday night studying them while mom and dad shopped. It was smart on the manager's part to put them there, because curious kids like me couldn't play with them. They were up too high.
Sometimes, we'd do our shopping before dinner time. I'd be so hungry that, on one occasion, I "accidentally" opened a bag of M & M's, and crammed handfuls into my mouth. If someone happened to come along the aisle where I was standing, I'd stop chewing and just stand there with my cheeks all puffed out. Anyone who took a good look at me could tell I had a mouthful of chocolate.
There weren't microphones or flashing lights at the registers if one of the cashiers needed a price check. Usually, this was the manager's job, as he had a mic in his office. But normally, the cashier would ask one of the bag boys to go and check the price.
We didn't have those big buffing machines, but we had a small one that I usually used once a month on the floors.
Much has changed, huh?
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Post by nancs on Jul 1, 2005 8:11:19 GMT -5
Hi to all, and loved the comments. Particularly ones that Babs put in about salaries and the like. Know that is must have been tough for a man teacher to support his family on teacher's wages. David, your mention of grocery stores today-----triggered a thought, not perhaps a memory excatly. I love to cook, and a lot of my favorite recipes have "roots in the past." Out here, at least, so many of the markets feature "quick fixin'" items, and sometimes it is nearly impossible to find some of the ingredients for old time recipes. The best solution that I have found, short of "special order on the internet," has been to frequent a local market, that has been there for years, in an older neighborhood, and they tend to cater to the wants and needs of the "cook from scratch" customer. And while the soapbox is still in place!!!! ;D With kids of today, you actually have to teach the word "tradition" to them. Society is moving at such a fast pace, it seems to me that families are tending to NOT build memories, such as are posted here, with our youth of today. These kiddos, when questioned about a family tradition, have to dig really deep to come up with one. Our generation is lucky, we hold these memories dear to our hearts, and we do need to share them, both by word, and by action with the younger generations. Some of my most treasured teaching moments went beyond readin', writin', and 'rithmetic and testin', to discussions sharing memories. These students won't recall some worksheet they had to do, or special lesson I prepared, they will remember the stories that I told, often to make a point with them, and sometimes just for the fun in the story. And I truly hope that they will pass them on to their kids, and be able to add in stories of their own. Here's to our memories, and our strolls down Memory Lane. I hope that everyone is encouraging family members to read our posts. Nanc
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Post by Rhonda Bolner on Jul 7, 2005 23:03:04 GMT -5
In reply to George: You are correct...except it wasn't actually the "Lincoln" home, it was the Lucas home. Capt. Lucas, president of First National Bank, and his wife Elizabeth, lived there beginning in the mid to late 1800's. Wm. H. Lincoln and his wife were the last residents of the home prior to it being sold to the grocery chain. Mr. Lincoln's wife was Mary Crump Lucas (my great grandmother) and she and Wm. moved back into the house upon the death of Mary's parents and brother, George.
I have 4 photos of the house from different eras, if anyone is interested in seeing them.
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Post by Ricky_Berkey on Jul 10, 2005 5:29:05 GMT -5
Rhonda : Could the house at 2300 Washington properly be called the "Lincoln House" as I believe it was built by your great grandparents during their success with Orinioco/Lincoln furniture companies. Tell us more about it if you can.
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Post by Rhonda Bolner on Jul 10, 2005 21:43:02 GMT -5
Ricky: Yes. The home at 2300 Washington Street should be called the Lincoln home. Most people in town call it the Davis home because that's the earliest folks they know that lived there. My great grandfather had the home built in 1917-1919 and it was one of the first homes in Riverside addition which was begun by a group of people which included my great great grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Crump Lucas. She was married to Wm. J. Lucas, former president of First National Bank. Upon his death in 1901, she became president of the bank and was one of the first, if not THE first, woman president of a bank in Indiana. At the time the home was built, it was out in the country! They had very strict guidelines as to what type of homes could be built in the addition and how close together they could be. I have photos of the home being built. I was told by the last owner that the rafters of the home are actually dove-tailed like a piece of fine furniture! The home's 3-car garage was unheard of in it's day. The garage also has a basement in which the heating system used to be. Underground pipes lead from the garage to the home. This heated the home and also kept the driveway warm enough so that snow and ice did not accumulate on the driveway in winter. The garage contain(s) the quarters for the chauffeur and the last time I was there, the call box was still on the wall in the garage which was used to summon the chauffeur. The walnut staircase in the home was hand carved.
If someone can help me out with instructions, I'll post some photos on this site!
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Post by David Sechrest on Jul 11, 2005 16:24:29 GMT -5
Rhonda, to post photos on this message board, create the images in a .jpeg format. If I were you, I'd try to size them no larger than 500 pixels in width. Once they are ready, you need to store them on the web. You should be able to put the pictures in the same place you put your pics for your website. Once you've uploaded all your images to the web, make note of their web address. It will be an "http" address. When you are ready to include a picture here, click on the "Insert Image" button above. It's right above the faces, 4th button from the left. Once you click on that button, you'll get a code like this: " [/img]." Insert the web address in between the two parameters, and it should appear here. If you have any problems, please email me and I'll walk you through it.
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Post by Rhonda Bolner on Jul 14, 2005 16:42:44 GMT -5
C:\Documents and Settings\Rhonda Bolner\Desktop\Lucas home circa 1875.JPG[/img] This is a test to see if I can be succesful in importing photos.
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Post by Rhonda Bolner on Jul 14, 2005 20:31:07 GMT -5
:'(Didn't work.
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Post by Rhonda on Aug 21, 2005 8:14:00 GMT -5
This is the oldest photo I have of my great great grandfather's home...the Captain Wm. Lucas home which used to stand in the 900 block of Washington Street. Capt. Lucas is seated on the right and has the family dog at his feet. Mrs. Lucas is standing on the porch. My great-grandmother-to-be, Mary Crump Lucas, is standing in the front yard. Her brother is also there with his bicycle. This photo was taken about 1875.
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Post by Rhonda on Aug 21, 2005 8:18:06 GMT -5
Same home a few years later after a porch was added on the right side of the photo.
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Post by Rhonda on Aug 21, 2005 8:20:04 GMT -5
Same house...about 1900. Now it has a full porch around the front. The tower is still on the house.
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Post by Rhonda on Aug 21, 2005 8:21:27 GMT -5
This photo is sometime in the 1940's shortly before the house was torn down to make way for the grocery. Notice that the tower had been removed at some point.
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